Wasaya pilots treat their ramp guys like sh*t.

Pilatusable · Post by **Pilatusable** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:40 pm

I've recently done a stint in YPL as a "wannabe" for Wasaya. I was there just short of a week and decided that it wasn't for me. In my experience, I didn't have or see any issues regarding harassment or abuse of any kind, other than the occasional (all in good fun) witty comment, which you get anywhere, and could be directed at anyone from a ramp guy to the base manager to the highest seniority Hawker captain. The use of the word "wannabe" was about the worst that it got. It was actually a very comfortable environment to work in as far as the people go.

pinecone160 · Post by **pinecone160** » Sun May 13, 2007 9:09 pm

phligheye · Post by **phligheye** » Mon May 14, 2007 12:48 am

Hey COOL,

Just my two cents...

I agree, sure there are some real pricks out there, trying to do everything they can to make life more difficult for others. Yes, whiners are a dime a dozen especially when they can remain anonymous.

Maybe said pricks are some rich kid who's parents have padded their way through life, they may feel that they are better than you.

Perhaps they are a cynical ex-rampie, figures he has worked harder and given more than anyone else. Yet, has become completely unwilling to pass along his knowledge.

It doesn't matter who they are, pounding on them is not going to be the answer. Once upon a time maybe...

Tell your "friend" to address the problem.

Make damn sure that his work ethic is in check, those pilots should not have to wait or ask for anything. They were given a flying position because they did more than wait to be ordered around.

If discipline is not the issue, then its time to pass the feather. If you have not become familiar with this kind of conversation, it is one in which only one person talks at a time. Thats right, its the guy with the feather. Have you ever had someone try to demeen you after you make them aware that they were. It doesn't last long...

I hate to agree with anyone but there is an awfull lot of whining rather than debating, honestly, WE ARE CANADIAN AVIATION. Can you imagine what an outsider must think when they read some of the posts. Having to swear like a hillbilly to get your point across just demonstrates ignorance...

Thanks for your time...

ULH · Post by **ULH** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:56 am

I started at a similar company up north and have witnessed this kind of attitude before, these people are just burning their own bridges so to speak, if it is true. During my time in aviation I’ve come to realize a couple thousand hrs doesn’t mean much when considering the big picture. Down the road it would not be an unrealistic situation to see these ramp guys later end up being a senior captain to the same people which were mouthing off to them years before. I've seen it happen.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Mon May 14, 2007 6:41 am

The time I spent with Wasaya, I never witnessed pilots giving the ramp guys a hard time. In YPL, they lived together, drank together, and chased "blueberry blonds" together. Never witnessed any bad feelings towards them in YRL either. Don't know why it would have changed? The guy at the top was/is the biggest DINK known to aviation. But the pilots got along well with each other. Including the ramp rats.

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Mon May 14, 2007 7:00 am

Doc wrote: Including the ramp rats.

Doc, please, their dignity. Surely you mean "non flying pilots".

stratcat · Post by **stratcat** » Mon May 14, 2007 7:39 am

I think the worst company for treating rampies is air tindi. Some of the senior people there are a complete bunch of assholes. They thrive on abusing the rampies. Funny thing though, the ones they abused are at the majors and these individuals are still there.

FinalforWV · Post by **FinalforWV** » Mon May 14, 2007 9:24 am

As Captain Parsons stated, if harassment is happening at Wasaya, Managemnt needs to hear about it. The first avenue is to talk to your base manager. If the results are not satisfactory, then you call myself, the chief pilot. As per our company policy, harrasment of any sort is not tolerated at Wasaya Airways. It must be brought to Management's attention. If it is happening, Avcanada is not the way of dealing with it. Donnie

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon May 14, 2007 9:31 am

Donnie, if company image is on your priorities list what do you think of someone posting as an employee called captain suck it?

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Mon May 14, 2007 9:36 am

Hi Fluffy!

Capt. Cool · Post by **Capt. Cool** » Mon May 14, 2007 9:57 am

Cat Driver wrote:Donnie, if company image is on your priorities list what do you think of someone posting as an employee called captain suck it?

Beat me to it Cat. There has been more than 1 person on this post claiming the same has happened to them. And an employee posting as Captain Suck It sure must make the company proud. That, along with the idiotic stuff they keep spewing confirms what I thought about some of the junior guys working there. I'm not gonna tell you how to run the operation Donnie, but your own guys are making you look worse than the people posting against you. I'm certain that there are alot of great guys working there and I salute them..but for the company's sake find out the names of these idiots and hire yourself some new guys!

megaton montage · Post by **megaton montage** » Mon May 14, 2007 12:09 pm

how in the hell is donnie looking bad by some butt smack calling himself capt suck it???????? that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. there are people doing dumb shit on here from every company and owner so that doesnt matter. the program works just great, who gives a shit if you are called a wannabe, grow the hell up.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon May 14, 2007 12:24 pm

how in the hell is donnie looking bad by some butt smack calling himself capt suck it????????

Who said it makes Donnie look bad?

If you read it again the question was does it make the company look bad when someone claiming to fly for them uses such moronic username?

that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. there are people doing dumb shit on here from every company and owner so that doesnt matter. the program works just great, who gives a shit if you are called a wannabe, grow the hell up.

Well megaton, if.....I said if, there are pilots with that company who treat ramp workers like they are inferior then I would suggest that the company give a damn.

the program works just great,

Even if the allegations of harassement by some is true?

MarcF'nScott · Post by **MarcF'nScott** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:35 pm

Wannabee oh Wannabee. How I love the sound,
To get your first break in the biz,
And work your way up from the ground.
You load our planes, and answer the phone,
Smiling as you go.
Every dog must have have its day,
So give these boys a bone.
Suck it up buttercups,
That you're underappreciated is no doubt,
But to bitch about it "anonymously" on AvCan,
Is not the way to go about.
Flying jobs are aplenty, so go instruct your way to the top.
But YPL is where it's at baby, and school was just let out.
All jokes aside we luv ya,
And you remind us every day,
That aviation really isn't that hard,
Which is why they let me stay...
But the bottom line is,
If you don't like it leave.
Life will be tough wherever you go...
And Bullsh*t makes it hard to breathe.

Any problems let me know,

Marc F'n Scott

flying dutchman · Post by **flying dutchman** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:51 pm

I worked the ground for wasaya for almost two years at 2 of their bases. I've never seen any serious harassment going on. Most of the captains are great, if anyone is getting attitude, its more then likely for a reason. Ive met many awesome people working here. All the wannabees are there for the same reason, and id say they are all very accepting. What people have to realize is that the industry is changing allot. I've seen people get to the same spot as me in less than half the time. When someone isnt pulling their weight, its very frustrating to the other wannebees, and I think this is where problems arise. If everyone pulls their weight and respects each other, things workout awesome. Who cares if were called wannabees, thats what we are. If you prove yourself as a hard worker, show up on time, and don't bitch when you have to pick up a broom every once and awhile, it will get noticed, and you will get ahead. If you work hard for those guys, you will realize most of them are good guys.

stef · Post by **stef** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:48 pm

In labouring jobs, dog fuckers get abused. Its a fact of life.

Chickaddd · Post by **Chickaddd** » Mon May 14, 2007 6:19 pm

Harassment not tolerated?? Wow, pigs really do fly.

dun my time · Post by **dun my time** » Mon May 14, 2007 7:38 pm

You have worked the ground at wasaya for TWO years. You Must be a reaily useless peice of shit. Glad you are not around me.

Prop Guy · Post by **Prop Guy** » Mon May 14, 2007 8:04 pm

Well, I worked the ramp for Wasaya and I took my fair share of shit and abuse from some of the fellas on the ramp.

I see on here there are many posts from guys within Wasaya, Even the CP himself. Do you guys want to change this poor image? How about a little shake up of the company and the ramp itself? What do I think can help? How about an honored seniority system for a start.

From what I saw, date of hire didn't seem to mean much. If another rampie appeared to work harder he could pass the other more senior guy, right? Sounds good so far, I guess.

Here is the problem.

From day one the rampies no about this, (management is clapping with glee) and they will do just about anything to shorten there time on the ramp and quicken there run to the right seat of that single pilot machine.
The problem for the rampies, is you are now divided. The company has now got you working on the same pace as a sweat shop worker. And when that guy who sweeps the floor a little faster than you, passes you, your're bitter....Now the cycle continues.

Many of you will say it's the only system that will work.

This system alleviates the mangers from their responsibility of actually managing there employees. If a rampie does not pull there weight, show up on time and so forth... Find another more willing guy to do the job, don't create crappy culture within your company so your Caravans and Hawkers get loaded quicker.

My 2 cents.

Chaffey · Post by **Chaffey** » Mon May 14, 2007 9:39 pm

you think staff is hard on rampies. I worked for a guy, lets call him (Editted-JC). He was so hard to please. I think i heard he had to go to anger management. or so i was told.
You cant please everyone, and some people are mean. However this builds the rampies character, and will become a good learning experience to know how to deal with anything. Im still a rampie myself, but if I cant take something, I could leave.

We are called Wanna-be pilots, rampies, ramp rats. who cares. everypilot was at the bottom once

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon May 14, 2007 9:51 pm

We are called Wanna-be pilots, rampies, ramp rats. who cares. everypilot was at the bottom once

Being at the bottom is a state of mind.

No one one should have to feel inferior because of their job decsription, especially when striving to be a pilot which is nothing more than a machine operator.

Now if you want to aspire to a profession that truly does require more knowlege and mechanical skills become an aircraft mechanic.

Rudder Bug · Post by **Rudder Bug** » Mon May 14, 2007 10:41 pm

Being at the bottom is a state of mind.

I'm with you there Cat

Rudder Bug · Post by **Rudder Bug** » Mon May 14, 2007 11:46 pm

I'm enjoying a bunch of rampies now, after over 30 year in that business with no help. God do I appreciate all these fellows.

I get to my plane in the morning and someone has swept my floors, done my windshield overnight. I'd like to know who did it and thank him or her. Makes me feel like someone cares for me.

When they get their turn to fly with me, It's a must to give them as much instruction and practice as possible. They committed themselves for 2 years of their life on my ramp to learn and help.

Some are better partners than others. Some are too shy to say they don't know about a binder or a fuel kit. The best ones tell me "hey I've never seen or done that before, show me how it works". I favor these ones a little more.

Giving a blast to a young guy whom's brain is racing to find how he could help us better is stupid.

As Cat recalls, us pilots, are just machine operators, no more. The ones on the ground are making these wonderful machines do the job, along with the drivers or operators. We all need eachother.

Please think twice before giving someone a blast , rampie or machine operator, we are all trying to get that business going together. If one's not happy it's a bummer for all.

Ok I promise again, ther will be a flat of beer in the fridge some day, labeled "From me to you." Damned me if I don't do it before my break-up holiday.

Rudder Bug · Post by **Rudder Bug** » Tue May 15, 2007 12:17 am

I think the worst company for treating rampies is air tindi. Some of the senior people there are a complete bunch of assholes. They thrive on abusing the rampies. Funny thing though, the ones they abused are at the majors and these individuals are still there.

Try a ramp anywhere else and let us know next year, and in five years because the way you think you'll still be on the ramp, no matter where you go.

Now that the rampie job qualified you on a fork lift, why don't you go to the oil patch for the big bucks?

Who is stupidiest, you or us aviators and Wannabees?

Just getting sick of that whining,

Best regards

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Tue May 15, 2007 5:50 am

There is no doubt that Wasaya has some problems with the treatment of young pilots as I know a couple personally who have felt the wrath of being a ramp hand but I also know that Wasaya doesn't have exclusive rights to it as it is also happening at many other companies.

I have also seen what happens to a young career when it is taken to Wasaya management. The young pilot is told he is to soft and too sensitive, then has no choice but move on and his career prospers. Funny how that happens!

I think it is just a case of some pilots moving up the line with short memories while suffering from small dick syndrome.

Wasaya pilots treat their ramp guys like sh*t.

ground at wasayai