Do the airlines like PC-12 time?

Shotgun10 · Post by **Shotgun10** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:42 am

frog · Post by **frog** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:58 am

Yes, EFIS

Jer · Post by **Jer** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:17 am

not sure, but they would surely like it better if it would have two engines !

retired or retarded · Post by **retired or retarded** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:48 am

Obviously with most airlines, the larger and more complex the aircraft the better. But as said before getting some experience with EFIS cannot hurt and operating any aircraft IFR in a professional manner will help build your experience and skills which any airline will like.

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:01 am

I think both Westjet and A/C have taken PC-12 drivers without multi time.

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:13 pm

I think you should take a poll...

lyncher · Post by **lyncher** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:14 pm

if you wanna see a poll about it, theres a single engine acouple posts below.

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:49 pm

I was being sarcastic...

lyncher · Post by **lyncher** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:55 pm

my bad, kinda hard to tell over the internet.

learcapt · Post by **learcapt** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:15 pm

does the EHSI and EADI count as real EFIS?

Shotgun10 · Post by **Shotgun10** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:34 pm

Why don't you ask Honeywell?
They call it a Electric Flight Instrumentation System.

The EHSI/EADI are EFS 40/50.
http://www.avionicsales.com/product/EFIS.htm
Most 12's have an MFD as well.
What is real EFIS to you, besides what is in the big iron?
Does it only count if all the information is displayed on the PFD, and the systems on the MFD?
I can see your point if the PC-12 did not have composite modes.
I'm just learning about EFIS and I am relatively new to glass, so let me know if I'm out in left field?

Dave T · Post by **Dave T** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:49 pm

I'm going to say it all depends on the cirumstances. I know guys that went from PC-12 FO jobs without any other time to much larger airplanes because they had experience with EFIS, PT6 and the KLN 90B GPS. I also know of PC-12 capts getting onto Jazz, with some other time.

The airlines and other companies like the experince and most have gotten over the PC-12 stigma.

Now it might be tough for a PC-12 Capt with 0 multi to get into an airline and someone with 3000 hrs in the right seat of a PC-12 is a bit overboard.
It is an awesome airplane that will give you pretty good experience in a modern cockpit. Just take things in moderation.

learcapt · Post by **learcapt** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:20 pm

I kind of think of EFIS, being PFD with all on it, ie:a/s, speed trends, altimeter, v/s, etc, and an integrated MFD. I am not trying to be a smart ass in any way, just asking...I guess I would probably at least consider it when looking at resumes.

thanks

Dave T · Post by **Dave T** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:59 pm

I have always debated this as well as there is a significant difference between different EFIS setups.

Some would argue that true EFIS is a plane with PFDs that display a/s, alt tape, att indicator ect all on one screen.

I have to say that while the PC-12 is not this advanced (though as I understand the new ones will be soon) it still has EADI with flt director, EHSI with various modes and functions (can show an NDB as an HSI, can show a map with just radial and DME from a VOR, can overlay WX RADAR, show RMI needles), and digital engine gauges (not that those mean much).

I usually refer to a PC-12 setup as EFIS and something more advanced as a full glass cockpit.

Would you say that something like a 767 has EFIS, cause it has kinda the same idea as the PC-12?

Shotgun10 · Post by **Shotgun10** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:46 am

learcapt - I am sorry if I came across pissed, not my intention, I just get pissed at guys who flame other guys for asking questions that truely interests them. You DID not flame anyone but yesterday there was alot of so called pilots flaming guys for asking questions that THEY deemed below them. I guess they were born with an ATPL and a Shuttle PPC.

Dave T - You could have just solved the whole argument in that statement.

Would you say that something like a 767 has EFIS, cause it has kinda the same idea as the PC-12?

though a 767 pilot will not like the comparison...they do have auto throttles you know and a lot more mellons behind them....

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:11 am

I wasn't flaming you - just poking fun because you started the same thread twice... One with a poll one without.

And get real - we run the Shuttle under 604 ops - we don't need a PPC...

185/310 · Post by **185/310** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:05 am

Curious on everybodies take on this. In my opinion PC12 seems like a great aircraft to get experience on EFIS, advanced GPS or even FMS, but to me the most important time is multi time. Of course it all depends on where u wanna go in your career but almost every job posting you see has multi or multi PIC requirements. With relation to the logbook and career advancement I would rather put myself left seat in a navajo then a PC12. Again depends on your back ground but im assuming a person has no multi experience. If a person were to only have flown a PC12 or single engine machine, I would say there limiting there options.

Shotgun10 · Post by **Shotgun10** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:14 am

Actually I have a B200 PPC and multi time....just going to start a job on PC-12. The B200's I flew had no autopilots next to no avionics and none of the fleet was standardized. I'm going to enjoy flying a MUCH more advanced,system wise, aircraft.

lyncher · Post by **lyncher** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:50 am

185/310 wrote: I would rather put myself left seat in a navajo then a PC12.

that doesnt make sense.... you think twin unpressurized piston is better than pressurized single turbine..........? you might wanna rearange your priorities i think........

185/310 · Post by **185/310** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:30 am

In my opinion people dont look at pressurization time. Set the controller, pretty hard. Im just sayin most companies value multi PIC time more then single engine turbine PIC. Again how many job postings do u see out there that say - req single turbine pic, its all multi, multi pic. I know everybody has a difference in opinion of this, just curious is all.

lyncher · Post by **lyncher** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:22 am

but high altitude also requires more training.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:42 am

but high altitude also requires more training.

So does every new airplane you fly, however the truth is pressurized airplanes are designed to be operated by anyone with an IQ above body temperature.

saucer_driver · Post by **saucer_driver** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:58 am

This is a simple questions folks....and it is the same for all time. You will never have the kinda time you need for any job, they will always want something else.

lyncher · Post by **lyncher** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:08 pm

touche cat, touche

bcflyer · Post by **bcflyer** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:53 pm

lyncher wrote:but high altitude also requires more training.

Sorry to burst your bubble but your "high altitude training' at most companies is a 20 minute video on hypoxia. The most challenging flying I've ever done was all well below 10000 feet. In fact you could argue that the pilot flying the unpressurized piston twin is actually working alot harder than someone sitting behind a turbine at FL250. Up high you are out of the ice and you can actually see most of the thunderstorms. Oh and you don't have to worry about shock cooling a turbine!!!

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