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Stick-Shaker wrote:Over 100,000 views! Even the demise of Jetsgo didn't get as much attention.

This really indicates the level of passion the pilots, maintenance, FA's (and all other employees too) felt about this airline. It demonstrates not only the level of dissatisfaction about the deplorable working conditions, but also how passionate we were about making CanJet work depite IMP's negligence. We did our part, it was mangement that screwed it up. They only have themselves to blame.
Well said. Even in the airline graveyard of Canada, this one stands out. An embarassing squandering of human capital.

I heard that one of the captains heading to India is none other than the gent who stood tall during the whole debacle, SB. Wishing him the very best!

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So true.

Hats off to SB, may your future be much brighter and far more rewarding, both financialy and personally.

You deserve it buddy.

Thanks for working so hard for so long for so many of us.

You will be missed.
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JUST WONDERING HOW EVERYONE IS DOING. JUST STARTING SIM HERE AT WESTJET AND HAVING A GREAT TIME. ANOTHER MONTH AND I'LL BE BACK TO THE OLD GRIND. HOPE ALL OF YOU THAT ARE LEFT ARE DOING FINE AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AROUND. TAKE CARE


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"QRH...Caps-Lock stuck on!"
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It's a WJ thing. :lol:
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Post by eastcoast-pilot »

I start with CanJet in a few weeks, any advice in getting through ground school and sim. I don't want to hear from the depressing losers who hate CanJet and keep slamming the company. I want to see positive replies. Thanks you.
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Don't worry eastcoast-pilot. The CanJet training program is very professional and extremely well structured. You will be guided through ground school, fixed base, full motion and line indoc by caring instructors who will make sure you complete your training to a high standard.


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We will see who is a "depressing loser" after six months at that place.
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eastcoast-pilot wrote: I want to see positive replies.
Then you should either start a chain letter, write to the Pope or apply to WJ or AC. Get a grip man!
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Just the facts wrote: The CanJet training program is very professional and extremely well structured. You will be guided through ground school, fixed base, full motion and line indoc by caring instructors who will make sure you complete your training to a high standard.
And all this for a mere $30,000 bond...Get there early because with a deal as good as this one I am sure the line-up to work there will be long...and you better wear a hat and sunscreen too!
eastcoast-pilot wrote:I don't want to hear from the depressing losers who hate CanJet and keep slamming the company.
Oh, and also just so you get the facts straight, these "depressing losers" are the same employees that put their heart and soul into this airline hoping to make it work, giving 100% only to continually get shit on...
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There has never been such a boom in the aviation industry...pilots can pretty much pick where they want to work and what they want to fly. it won't last forever though. This is the time to pick that good job with the seniority number...and ride it to retirement or go fly that contract and make a lot of money....oh I forgot the third choice...you can go to canjet for a thirty thousand dollar training bond and end up with neither the job or the money!!!
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(just jumping in mid-thread...)
are you guys serious, or just trolling here? Is there really a bond? :shock:
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$30,000 training bond for 3 years, no money up front just if you leave.
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but the bonds are forgiven when the company shuts down again :lol:
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Stick- shaker

You forgot to tell him about the KY!!! Or was that on purpose? Let him figure that one out for himself. Remember, just keep telling yourself this really isnt happening.........over and over.

Hahahahahaha.............
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Come on guys, enough.

East coast pilot, CJ is not as these guys paint it OK. The fact is, the boys have gone through an unexpected shutdown and restart that was painful. Before that, everyone seemed content to allow negotiations to address any inequites in working conditions. Well, the airline has re-invented itself. There is lots of contract work either presently in place or being negotiated for the future.

These guys have reacted to your comment "losers" because there hurting over what's happened. So cut them some slack. However, they don't get that you have made a significant decision in your life to come here and the rhetoric printed here must be very unsettling for you to see.

In any event, trust me when I tell you that what you read here is not balanced or accurate. Enjoy your training, nothing you need to do to prepare as everything you need to know will be provided. You will find the training is excellent, the airplane is a thrill to fly and the guys are great to fly with and you will very much enjoy the job. It's a professional and high standard flight operation.

There are many of us who have chosen to remain here to re-build an airline. Welcome aboard, glad to have your help.

As for the $30,000 bond.....its a non-issue if you plan to stay here. Costs you nothing if you stay.

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Just the facts,
If you're going to try and convince pilots to work for Canjet don't sugar coat it as much. Most of what you say is true but tell the good with the bad. That way when CJ is shut down the next time, you're conscience can be clean. The newbies that have wasted precious time and lost seniority numbers at a much more secure airline entered into it knowing all the facts.
The summer sched is pretty slow right now. 17 Captains at a time on reserve. There are no contracts signed yet for the fall. Once they are signed it'll be just for the winter season. Then it'll start all over again. At CJ the most you can be sure of is you'll be employeed for 4 months at a time. CJ is a great place to get some jet time. You'll love the crews, the airplanes and it's great experience. Unfortunatly there's no future in it.

There's no driving force at the head of CJ that wants them to be number one at anything. There's no Branson or Beddoe. Just an old man with old ideas and old ways of doing things. It's going to be a long hard road to a signed contract and I wouldnt be surprised if he shut it all down at the end just to spite the union and to make an example.
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I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just the facts. 8) Although, from a training persective, its a very positive program and in my opinion, something to sell. I do however take issue with the one sided dogma printed here. The guy has made a decision to come already and obviously has been seeking some inside info/help on what to expect. Most stuff he would have read here is alarming, and not balanced. No wonder he lashed out. The retorts here are nothing short of shamful. My point was, not all that you read is accuarate or without bias.

I have been in the airline side of things for 20 years now, the situation here at CJ is really not that different from 2000; 2002; or 2005. IMP still operates the way they did then. That hasn't changed. I had my chances to leave, however CJ is my lifesblood and I will hang in there till the end ..........my choice. I will do everything to help east coast pilot get through the training and enjoy his job.

Quite frankly, I expect CanJet to more or less continue as it has. The working conditions are based on "yester-years" conditions and need redress..............and will, I believe, happen in the fullness of time. As far as a future goes........no one knows in this business. Its really a flip of the coin. A market shock could end AC or WJ, just like it did to C3, however unlikely you may think. Future contracts...no different at SS or AT for that matter. Thats the nature of charter stuff. For the record, we are turning stuff away due to capacity.

There are some good people in flight ops who understand where changes are needed to ensure there is balance between the needs of the company and the needs of the employees, and are working to that end. In the meantime, CJ will continue as it always has, a creature looking for opportunitites to do business. That has always been the business plan. Four and a half a/c will fly this summer and I understand an announcement regarding the winter businessplan is imminent.

This is a good place to come and learn 705 flying and strap yourself to a jet. The SOP is structured on the Air Atlantic/Canadian flight operations standards and has served CJ well. We are safe, professional and viewed as such by the industry........the rhetoric here notwithstanding. If this iteration of CJ develops synergies with other carriers or finds new ways to develop itself competitively, then those here have a penny stock that will pay off. If it doesn't, then valuable experience has been gained and will be portable to other areas of the industry. Opportunities available today will be there in 6 months, 12 months and 18 months, etc, etc. Its a dynamic pilot market now and into the foreseeable future. Nothing is really lost by coming here, as I see it anyway. Anyone flying one of our aircraft, and the experience gained from our operations, will never need to be concerned about future employment.

In any event, someone wants to come here to give it a try.....why don't you just wish he or she well.............and let it go. Don't ruin it for them before they get here. Please don't poison them before we have had a chance to train them.

As I said before........enough! If your on the train, help us make it work...if your off the train, ....take care and good luck at your next job.


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Post by eastcoast-pilot »

WOW!!! JTF, I want you to captain my debate team. Great positive post. To all the others who I offended with my "losers" comment, I am sorry. As pilots, we do wear our hearts on our sleeves so I am not surprised about the lash back about my comment. Again, I am sorry. I just didn't want to hear all the negativity when I was just trying to get an honest question answered. I now have that question answered, thank you.
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It does have great training, and the training staff should be given their due.

However, its an awful place to work. Thats why everyone left! The comment about senority at another airline is spot on. As far as old ways of thinking, try the 1930's..... before there were any rules. The facts are even the most dedicated employees were kicked in the a$$ and handed their hat when the time came. You want to see what your getting yourself into, then just call up anyone who has quit/forced out in the last 18 months and ask for their opinion.
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Post by CantStandYa »

The training was very good. cj will make sure that you do make it through the program. They will even provided extra sessions if required. Can't fault them at that.

However, I still can't forget the last employee survey that was taken before cj2 pulled the pin...and the way the company tryed to sweep the results under the carpet , the feedback being so abismal and all. It was the classic "if we don't talk about it everone will forget about it" mentality. Again, just assuming all the employees were that stupid.

Then there was the ALPA vote later in the year. 90%+ in favour...followed by the shutdown...followed by the restartup minus JK ("the ringleader").

NICE

Walk to the light EastCoaster, just do it with your eyes wide open.
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Just the facts wrote:If your on the train, help us make it work...if your off the train, ....JTF
CantStandYa wrote:Walk to the light EastCoaster
EastCoastPilot:

You are standing on the tracks and the "light" is coming from the "train" speeding toward you!
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Silly question time from an individual who never experienced airline operations. Why would you post a bond(whatever the terms) for trgn at CJ ver 2.5 when opportunities exist at AC,JAZZ, WestJet et al.

Just thought I would ask...............
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Post by frog »

old fellas,

3 reasons:

- Maybe one just got an answer fron CJ not from the others

- Working for ACJ, WJ implies for some people a lot of commuting

- Starting wage is better at least for the 1 st year

Just my 2 cents...
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