Wasaya

Mustard · Post by **Mustard** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:25 pm

What's the difference how many engines the plane has? So the captain has to start an extra engine......big deal.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:22 pm

When an engine quits, it means you get to do all those neat drills and you get to go home. On a PC12, it all gets real silent and you get to shout at each other before you walk home - if its not dark, mountainous, watery, overcast or whiteout. Big deal.

styles · Post by **styles** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:39 pm

Well played.

-styles

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:47 pm

For me the single engine vs the twin engine issue can be summed up this way.

I would rather have an extra engine I may not need.

Than need an engine I don't have.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:50 pm

You guys are so kind. I'd have called him a moron, and sent him to his room.

Mustard · Post by **Mustard** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:16 pm

So you recommend a recent grad to continue to pump gas rather than fly right seat in a 208 or PC12 because of the dangers?

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:15 pm

No offence taken! I hate to break it to you, but no I have not made sweet love to the 208 yet, nor do I fly one! In fact I never really did. Had a VFR checkout in one at some point and been a pax lots but that is about it. Aircraft type aside I still belive 4 eys are better than 2. If the induvidual in the right seat is burden then maybe you need to extablish some dicipline as far as when to talk etc. I have a hard time understanding how someone could make your job difficult if you choose to do the flying yourself during challenging conditions, even if your right seat partner is green. Just tell the poor guy/girl in a proffessional manner that you need to focus at the task at hand below xxxx feet and restrict talk to essential communication only.....have your helper/FO work the radio and speak up if they see something they don't like!!

My 2 cents

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:16 pm

No offence taken! I hate to break it to you, but no I have not made sweet love to the 208 yet, nor do I fly one! In fact I never really did. Had a VFR checkout in one at some point and been a pax lots but that is about it. Aircraft type aside I still belive 4 eys are better than 2. If the induvidual in the right seat is burden then maybe you need to extablish some dicipline as far as when to talk etc. I have a hard time understanding how someone could make your job difficult if you choose to do the flying yourself during challenging conditions, even if your right seat partner is green. Just tell the poor guy/girl in a proffessional manner that you need to focus at the task at hand below xxxx feet and restrict talk to essential communication only.....have your helper/FO work the radio and speak up if they see something they don't like!!

My 2 cents

corporate joe · Post by **corporate joe** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:10 am

Cat Driver wrote:For me the single engine vs the twin engine issue can be summed up this way.

I would rather have an extra engine I may not need.

Than need an engine I don't have.

I'd rather have one PT6, than two 40 year old pistons

Not to mention that the modern cockpit and extra fancy devices may actually help a crew to stay out of trouble, things you will not find on older 2 engine aircraft. So can we say that any twin is safer than any single? No, I don't think we can. It depends on many factors. The same plane with the same instruments and the same crew, one of them has two engines, the other doesn't, yes of course the twin is safer. But that's never the case. There are other factors to consider.

As for the original post about flying a caravan as a FIRST JOB, go for it I say. Hours are hours at that stage of your career, and turbine hours nonetheless, who cares how many engines it has. You'll have plenty of time to worry about that later on.

Elessar_44 · Post by **Elessar_44** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:31 am

Just took a job with Wasaya up in Pickle. I'm finally in the industry

Hotel Tango · Post by **Hotel Tango** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:35 am

xsbank wrote:When an engine quits, it means you get to do all those neat drills and you get to go home. On a PC12, it all gets real silent and you get to shout at each other before you walk home - if its not dark, mountainous, watery, overcast or whiteout. Big deal.

But how does that make the twin time more valuable than the single time? If anything it sounds like there's more decision making in the single than the multi.

Safety issues asside.

corporate joe · Post by **corporate joe** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:32 pm

Elessar_44 wrote:Just took a job with Wasaya up in Pickle. I'm finally in the industry

Congratulations, now remember: don't let your bucket of luck get empty before you fill up your bucket of experience.

fingersmac · Post by **fingersmac** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:45 pm

Congrats Elessar_44! Check your PMs.

Gooch · Post by **Gooch** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:52 pm

Wasaya is a good company with nice equipment. A good place for someone new to get their feet wet. Would you rather your children were flying a clapped out Aztec or R/H in a Caravan first job out of the gate?
No contest.

Gooch

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:23 pm

Its the right seat that's pointless for the guy sitting there, unless he's being checked out - otherwise, yes, left seat is nice in a PC12 or that other thing. Just don't stay there too long. The guy in the right seat is good to have for the left seat guy, but check him out! Don't let him just sit there or hump all the bags.

fingersmac · Post by **fingersmac** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:10 pm

At Wasaya, when there is two crew on the PC12 or 208, flying duties are shared. Each leg has a PF and PNF with the roles shared equally between both pilots. Therefore the F/O is never "just sitting there".

leftyxl · Post by **leftyxl** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:46 pm

There are no such things as 20 year old engines any place!?
Given the choice ......second in command single engine or
Pilot in command multi. It is a no brainer. When the music stops the guy with PIC will do better than right seat in anything!

It is all about command time!!!
Don't give me the line about the Aztec or the Ho being old. When it goes in the book it is either co-jo or captain.
So take that licence you earned and go out and learn how to fly!!
Good luck and fly safe.