Bakers Narrows Air services

Birdstrike#1 · Post by **Birdstrike#1** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:53 pm

Any info appreciated before the leap!

phillyfan · Post by **phillyfan** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:32 pm

Just make sure you leave it off your resume after.

BuckNiner · Post by **BuckNiner** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:22 pm

Steer clear.

zero · Post by **zero** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:36 pm

Don't do it, from those in the know. Many have been screwed before you.

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:22 pm

Leap to what? gonna do a float rating? going for a job?

Not a bad place. Too many jackalopes that have no idea what they're talking about givin the place a bad rap.

Let me know how it goes.

Cheers,
Rowdy

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:48 pm

zero wrote:Don't do it, from those in the know. Many have been screwed before you.

Who's been screwed zero? you seem to be quite the wealth of information.

Worked for them? trained there? or are you just perpetuating more rumours?

RomeoWhiskey · Post by **RomeoWhiskey** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:18 am

Was working up there a couple years ago and stopped into their lodge for some eats and met one of their 'pilots', she was the one that was serving me my food! Don't know if things have changed or not since. But it seemed that working in the dinning room was at the time part of the job description.

Birdstrike#1 · Post by **Birdstrike#1** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:28 pm

[quote="phillyfan"]Just make sure you leave it off your resume after.[/
what dud you meen

phillyfan · Post by **phillyfan** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:59 pm

We would not hire anyone who came through the Bakers route and I know several others who have the same policy. It stems from the history of people willing to prostitute themselves in exchange for time. It hurts the rest of us who pay our bills by flying floatplanes.

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:29 pm

Kind of like putting someone who did the regency/sonicblue thing on a blacklist??!?

Rudder Bug · Post by **Rudder Bug** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:31 pm

It's just another entry level opportunity.

We would not hire anyone who came through the Bakers route

Sorry Philly but I don't agree there. It's not a reason for not hiring a low timer who had a first experience there. They do the Arctic, BC and so much more.

zero · Post by **zero** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:43 am

Never worked there, Rowdy, but know a few who have and heard their side of the story. One bad experience could be considered just that, but more than that is a trend.

Congrats on the new gig.

confused · Post by **confused** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:40 pm

Rowdy,you seem to be buttering up a company you know little about.Sure you work there,but are pretty new to the company.You should be asking yourself why there are moving from place to place.If you check on the west coast you'll find a lot of unpaid bills and pissed off people.You'll find the same in parts of Manitoba.They have a hard time getting people to fly for them,do you think they would have hired you if they had a choice?(nothing against you,we've all had our own bad luck).As for it being rumor,not so!I have talked to alot of former students,some clients,and some west coast operators....

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:36 pm

Confused, I took the liberty of reading your previous posts and came across this one:

What was the pilot doing over glassy water,low level in foggy patches in the first place?Even if the engine did not fail and the pilot had to make a emergancy landing for another reason......would most likly be the same outcome.

Have you ever been trained to do glassy water landings?

With the engine running what exactly would be the problem performing a glassy water landing?

confused · Post by **confused** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:11 pm

Gee cat,I do happen to some glassy water time.12,000 float time with no accidents.Sorry I don't have as much as you.I have notice in the last year or so more 50 hour float pilots around.And yes I do believe that most will have a hard time landing on glassy water and fog with no shoreline for refrence.I do relieze all don't measure up to your skill,but from your postings I see nobody does.Please stop being a bitter old man and start enjoying life.

. . · Post by **. .** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:46 pm

If you had 2.3 trillion hours in radial engines and were checked out on 23948 types at the same time with half being choppers maybe we could respect your opinion confused.

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:03 pm

confused wrote:Rowdy,you seem to be buttering up a company you know little about.Sure you work there,but are pretty new to the company.You should be asking yourself why there are moving from place to place.If you check on the west coast you'll find a lot of unpaid bills and pissed off people.You'll find the same in parts of Manitoba.They have a hard time getting people to fly for them,do you think they would have hired you if they had a choice?(nothing against you,we've all had our own bad luck).As for it being rumor,not so!I have talked to alot of former students,some clients,and some west coast operators....

Actually confused, I believe you are. Everyone I've talked to here on the coast that did business with them was paid in full and on time.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:08 pm

I just love this forum confused, everyone is so quick to jump to preconceived judgements about each other......

... this could not be further from the truth ...

Please stop being a bitter old man and start enjoying life.

I am far from bitter for the simple reason that I was fortunate enough to be able to quit flying for other people and can afford to live quite comfortable and do anything I want to. And if I want to go back to flying it would only take a couple of phone calls and I would be working again.....but that ain't what I want to do.

In fact as I sit here writing this I am sitting in my summer home looking at my sail boat that I just tied up to the dock after doing some local crab trap setting here in Barkley Sound.....So if this is what it takes to become a bitter old man I hope I stay bitter for many more years.....

Now back to what you said.....

What was the pilot doing over glassy water,low level in foggy patches in the first place?Even if the engine did not fail and the pilot had to make a emergancy landing for another reason......would most likly be the same outcome.

The pilot that was being discussed was not a 50 hour float pilot. He was flying over glassy water because that is quite common here on the west coast and if everyone quit flying because there was glassy water and low ceilings in the general area there would not be many float plane operators still in business. But even if he did have only 50 hours on floats a properly trained 50 hour float pilot should be able to perform a glassy water landing without crashing the airplane as long as the engine is running.

bose · Post by **bose** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:57 pm

hi cat....i was just curious why did you ask the confused guy question about something total unrelated to the question about the baker narrow place when the confused guy only post the answer to some questions??? i was just thinking maybe you try to defend the company or the pilot that flies there.....what do you think about baker narrow place???

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:59 pm

My aircraft is well maintained, I'm well paid ON TIME and treated very well. I have no complaints.

Two very good friends of mine have been working on a couple of the contracts for a while now and they will also say nothing but good about the operation. Not to mention I know of another three that have done float ratings and loved every minute of it. I've also known the owner for a good chunk of time.. he's always been genuine, upfront and honest with me. Also very friendly and easy going. Rudder bug.. I'm sure you could say the same no?

I've heard bad things about pretty much every company across canada on here. I think people just like to anonymously bitch and start rumours. A lot of which are unsubstantiated or perpetuated by people who "hear from someones mothers aunts cousins step son twice removed"

As for the comment you made confused.. Thats a little rude don't ya think? The real reason I got the job was the positive/can do attitude!

But then again... What do I know!?? I'm just some naive young low time kid who lives with his parents and has never worked a hard day in his life.

Rudder Bug · Post by **Rudder Bug** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:23 am

Rudder bug.. I'm sure you could say the same no?

I like the guys. I understand they have their growing pains like all of us.

You are the one making it better. B & A too

Rudder Bug · Post by **Rudder Bug** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:15 am

Glassy waters are not sweet. I haven't crash so far and I'm blessed. God do I hate these Fokkers

Rudder Bug · Post by **Rudder Bug** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:18 am

Cat,

Did you purchase other IKEA furnitures????? Hope the friends are around as usual!

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:17 am

bose, I replied to confused the way I did because of this comment he made about Rowdy:

They have a hard time getting people to fly for them,do you think they would have hired you if they had a choice?

That comment was uncalled for and unprofessional on any level, I would hire 1000 Rowdy's over someone who hides behind a made up name and makes such a hurtful statement on a public forum.....

.....confused may have 12,000 hours but hours flown do not make the person...

As to your question about Bakers Narrows, I have never met them so I can not really fairly comment.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:00 am

In case the rest of you have not noticed, Widow has been posting about the deplorable safety record of small operators. It is a statistical fact that a certain number of us will have accidents each year and some of us will die.

Its a fact! There have been some blips in the records, but there is a pretty consistent death rate.

Do you guys think that its only the incompetent/feckless/sub-standard pilots that die? Do you think that you are so superior that you are not at risk?

So why do you think its all right to diss Rowdy?

Haven't you guys figured it out yet? He had a bad accident and he just survived it, spending some months in pain and discomfort, recovering from severe injuries. How many of you have had screws inserted in your spine?

Rowdy was upfront with us all and even showed us his injuries. Many of us will not even reveal our names let alone our photos (in my case you can all be grateful!).

Rowdy has had an experience that all pilots fear (I worry about it all night after a dinner of Italian food). Cut him some slack, show him some respect and stop these underhanded comments that he is somehow sub-standard because he had a crash. Every one of you (a certain number out of a thousand) is at risk of being in an accident. In fact, orders of magnitude of MILLIONS higher risk of an accident than your chance of winning a lottery, and most of us buy tickets, hoping fate will strike. PLUS you have to drive to work!

Remember that old sausage about "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"? Think about how you'd feel being extracted from a wreck in the woods somewhere and not even knowing if you'll walk again, let alone fly.

Way to go, Rowdy, I think you are a brave man to endure all that has happened to you, telling us all about it and getting right back in the saddle, especially considering the mindless, hurtful comments from the few subhumans on this site. Many on this site are whining about schedules and other trivia, while you overcame severe adversity and just got back to work.

Sorry if this comes off as cheesy, but we are all too quick to kick someone when he is down and I'm sick of it. Time to change your attitudes, chaps. Time to grow up.