WS buying WG ....wtf???

Gear Up · Post by **Gear Up** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:35 pm

OMG, I hate to start this one but since it's starting to be a topic of discussion amongst my fellow jetters let me throw it out there.........

WestGo, I mean WestJet is buying Sunwing.

Let the fur fly boys!!!!

GU

Legacy · Post by **Legacy** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:11 am

lol.....sure we are

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:44 am

hmm, well, if that's true, it's an easy way to get a bunch of -800's. otherwise, why bother?

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:49 am

are any of sunwing's employees unionized?

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:19 am

are any of sunwing's employees unionized?

whiteguy · Post by **whiteguy** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:21 am

Four1oh wrote:hmm, well, if that's true, it's an easy way to get a bunch of -800's. otherwise, why bother?

Wouldn't call it a bunch, they only own 2 the rest were leased and have all gone back to their companys in Europe.

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:43 am

whiteguy wrote:
Four1oh wrote:hmm, well, if that's true, it's an easy way to get a bunch of -800's. otherwise, why bother?
Wouldn't call it a bunch, they only own 2 the rest were leased and have all gone back to their companys in Europe.

good to know; is that a seasonal thing or permanent?

wooden spoon · Post by **wooden spoon** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:03 am

three aircraft in europe working for Excel ontil end of Oct,three acft in Canada.six acft end of oct in Canada.Rumor 9 total by dec.NO union but an association.Working on Etops and possible 67s.Havnt heard that rumor.

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:00 am

thanks for the info, wooden.

for those of you scoffing at the idea, it wouldn't surprise me that they're taking a serious look at the idea. We still have the Jetsgo fiasco fresh in our minds, no doubt.

I asked about unions because if there were no union, it would be far easier to put the 2 employee groups together.

How many times has WJ said 'never' and yet it still happened?

wooden spoon · Post by **wooden spoon** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:20 am

sorry double post

neophyte · Post by **neophyte** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:04 pm

Four1oh,

What is the Jetsgo fiasco you talk about?

Pardon the ignorance,

Neo

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:23 pm

Here fishy fishy...

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:55 am

neophyte wrote:Four1oh,

What is the Jetsgo fiasco you talk about?

Pardon the ignorance,

Neo

Allowing Jetsgo to do damage by that insane expansion it did, when Leblancheque made it clear very early on that he was willing to sell. The number I heard is he wanted $50million for the operation. It would have been small change compared to how much money was lost 'competing' with them, and I use the term loosely. They did take a good hard look at buying Jetsgo, but I think it was too late by then. So by fiasco, I mean that they decimated profits, and was part of the reason we had a rough couple of years financially.

Also, Jetsgo itself was one giant fiasco just on it's own. There's still some stories circulating around about the shanigans that went on.

neophyte · Post by **neophyte** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:54 am

Got it, thanks. I was out of the country during that part of aviation history. (I wasn't trying to stir the pot).

Regards

Neophyte

Realitychex · Post by **Realitychex** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:00 am

Four1oh wrote:
neophyte wrote:Four1oh,

What is the Jetsgo fiasco you talk about?

Pardon the ignorance,

Neo
Allowing Jetsgo to do damage by that insane expansion it did, when Leblancheque made it clear very early on that he was willing to sell. The number I heard is he wanted $50million for the operation. It would have been small change compared to how much money was lost 'competing' with them, and I use the term loosely. They did take a good hard look at buying Jetsgo, but I think it was too late by then. So by fiasco, I mean that they decimated profits, and was part of the reason we had a rough couple of years financially.

Also, Jetsgo itself was one giant fiasco just on it's own. There's still some stories circulating around about the shanigans that went on.

I can guarantee there was no serious discussion about buying SG.

What do you propose WJ would have done with the MD80's and F100's? Operate them under the WJA brand?

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:35 pm

i would have taken a sledge hammer to them... it's about all they were good for

Realitychex · Post by **Realitychex** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:49 pm

Four1oh wrote:i would have taken a sledge hammer to them... it's about all they were good for

So what would WJ be buying? An airline with horrific losses, with airplanes it didn't want, employees it didn't want, and unions it didn't want.

What's that worth?

Better to let SG die on the vine. Leblanc's value, together with Canjet, and Harmony, is to prove there isn't a market opportunity for another sched carrier in Canada.

The possible mistake WJ made was not going Bakersfield chimp on SG from the getgo.

express · Post by **express** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:13 pm

As long as their guys come in at the bottom of our pilot list...after being interviewed.

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:57 pm

The employees would have been the only asset, just think, an instant injection of francophone FA's(which we badly needed at the time). That would have been about it though. Good points.