Inbound with information...WHAT??

[canpilot]

Recently I've noticed a sharp increase in the following phrase:

Aircraft: YXZ Tower, C172 GABC over XY, 2300, inbound for landing with information ...(pilot doesen't specify )

Either this means (in most cases) that you are too lazy to listen to the ATIS prior to arrival, or either too lazy to extend yourself to indicate to the poor controller and others around you the last ATIS information you recieved (eg. Infomation "alpha").

How is the controller supposed to know if you know whats going on at the airport? If you don't have time to get ATIS eg. handover from terminal and no " comm. 2" indicate to the controller that you need to know whats going on so that you don't use the wrong arrival, or even departure procedures for the wrong runway.

THANKS! End of rant!

[tofo]

I'll admit lazines can play a role in it but who gives a rats ass about the 5 knot wind.

only once in my carrer have I ever regreted not getting the atis. and that was due to a controller not because I felt there was some info that would be important. I don't know if you realize, but no one gives a SHI;T about birds in the area but if you yammer on about that people tune out.

give the name, winds altimeter and important comments. telling me about birds does nothing to change my approach.

my 2 cents.

[invertedattitude]

Right, up until the controller knows there's bird activity, you suck one up and ball up your airplane, and he goes to jail for not informing you of the possibility.

How long have you been in this business? It's all about CYA, I'm sure you're well aware.

[killer84]

If somethings not on the atis, then we have to make sure that each pilot is informed about information that we have. All we can do is tell you that there's lots of birds in the area, it's up to you not to hit them. But if they find out we told the 8 airplanes before you about birds, and not you, and you hit one, we're fucked.

[GilletteNorth]

Tofo said:

telling me about birds does nothing to change my approach.

I can't tell you how many times my being able to describe bird activity over the radio has resulted in a pilot changing their approach path or runway choice. I can't believe you are so uncaring about something so important. There's a huge difference between hitting a sparrow and a Canada goose.
Tofo said:

I don't know if you realize, but no one gives a SHI;T about birds in the area

If it doesn't affect you because you don't give a shit, remind me never to fly with you.

[tofo]

I agree that up to date information from from the horses mouth so to speak would change my approach if it's specific. However listening to infomation thats 45 mins old telling me migratory birds in the area on the atis does nothing to change my approach. If that information does change other peoples approach I would like to know how and why.

[Dave T]

[/quote] I don't know if you realize, but no one gives a SHI;T about birds in the area but if you yammer on about that people tune out. [/quote]

I fully agree. I know it's what you guys have to say but it drives us nuts. Pretty much all summer every ATIS says birds in area. It warns of birds in the CFS so they shouldn't need to put it on the ATIS.
If a controller or FSS tells me on approach that a big flock of birds just flew through the approach I'll pay attention but the generic birds in the area, I really don't care.

I also go nuts with the long ATIS in YYC. Birds in area, land and hold short operations, high intensity operations. This is all listed in the CFS so I don't really see the need of saying it. As well in an A/C where you can't split the radio its a pain trying to listen to the long ATIS and ATC at the same time.

Also I have a beef with places that have an FSS or controller record the ATIS and they talk to fast. At my company I have to listen to it, write it down, then brief the PF. It's easier to listen once slowly than to have to listen twice cause the guy is talking a mile a minute.

[ahramin]

Checking in on frequency with the appropriate ATIS letter is industry best practice and there is no reason not to do it. Some amateurs may not understand this but i am sure this is reflected in all their flying, not just one radio procedure, so it's the least of their problems.

However canpilot, before harping about ATIS letters i hope that your particular unit is not like the majority of those out there which have weak, poorly done, or very late ATISs. On top of this, far too often i am told by center or arrival that ATIS is Bravo when i have Alpha so i flip back to the ATIS only to find that it is still Alpha.

It seems that most ATS units really don't find the ATIS that important.

Oh, and for the record, i want to know when there are birds around. $50k deductible may not seem much to many who don't have to pay it but i wouldn't want to hit a bird anyway.

[tofo]

while I'm being reffered to as an amature, I must ask. How does an ATIS that say's "migratory birds in the area" change your approach?

[invertedattitude]

From a pilots side of things, it's more of a "keep your head up" to me sort of comment.

[ahramin]

Slow to 180 or less below 3000 feet.
Props full fine below 3000 feet.
Ice Vanes extended.

On planes with landing lights on gear and without recog lights gear down and lights on below 3000 feet.

[tofo]

and you wait for the ATIS to tell you this?

What happens when you fly into the airport 100 miles away without an ATIS?

Do you assume there are no birds?

I'm not saying I don't want to know about birds. Sure there's a time and a place for that info, however

Dave T say's it best

I fully agree. I know it's what you guys have to say but it drives us nuts. Pretty much all summer every ATIS says birds in area. It warns of birds in the CFS so they shouldn't need to put it on the ATIS.
If a controller or FSS tells me on approach that a big flock of birds just flew through the approach I'll pay attention but the generic birds in the area, I really don't care.

I also go nuts with the long ATIS in YYC. Birds in area, land and hold short operations, high intensity operations. This is all listed in the CFS so I don't really see the need of saying it. As well in an A/C where you can't split the radio its a pain trying to listen to the long ATIS and ATC at the same time.

why do we need all that crap on there when it's already in the CFS.

as far as the slow to 180. Do you reffuse clearances based on bird activity on an ATIS?

Pull your head out of your a$$ were think about the question before regurgatating the POH

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[Jerricho]

I invited him to the ACC for one, but he never showed..........

[V1 Rotate]

According to the TC AIM it's okay to say "with the numbers" I do that when I forget what letter identifier the ATIS was.

[Doc]

Had to laugh. Went into YXL yesterday, picked up the ATIS, then promptly forgot it's identifier! We both heard it...and I'm NOT listening to that drivel twice! So I said.."with the info..."