Anyone else get an email from Air Canada recruiting this AM? From Cathy Vinet? It seems weird to me. It is an email stating "reply to this email now with a choice of dates for an interview...first come first served."
The weird thing is that it is an Air Canada email address. My first impression is that it is a hoax.
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You just got the interview call bud - reply with your choice of course dates asap, they do go quick. And if it is a hoax, so what - I'd rather take the chance and reply asap.
Cathy Vining is the one who sends it out, it's a batch email with bold and underlined fonts, so it doesn't come off as being overly official - I can assure you, it is. Good luck on the interview!!
Cathy Vining is the one who sends it out, it's a batch email with bold and underlined fonts, so it doesn't come off as being overly official - I can assure you, it is. Good luck on the interview!!
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I got the email yesterday, replied promptly, and got an anwser the next day. I am Jazz employed, so I said yes.
She replied back to me that I was not eligible for the interview at this time since they have to go with seniority.
They have interviewed below my seniority, so I got an email a few hours later, confirming my interview and test dates.
So yeah, respond because it is not a hoax, it's the real thing.
Good luck to all!
She replied back to me that I was not eligible for the interview at this time since they have to go with seniority.
They have interviewed below my seniority, so I got an email a few hours later, confirming my interview and test dates.
So yeah, respond because it is not a hoax, it's the real thing.
Good luck to all!
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A little factual background info.
Jazz pilots are frequently alluding to some sort of discrimination. Comments insinuating to an 80% unsuccessful application rate have been repeatedly made.
While I am not on the interviewing board, I frequently drink coffee with a mate who is. And while I have never asked him about a bias either way toward Jazz pilots, here are a few facts to keep in mind.
No selection process is perfect, and my personal opinion is that ours may be far from it, however that doesn't necessarily mean that the process in unfair. Big Red, in their infinite wisdom have determined that video game mastery, or your potential aspirations as a florist, are more important than your love of aviation or knowledge of it. They are the employer, they get to decide. My buddy did tell me that the overall applicants success rate is about 20% and that no one particular background group ( Jazz, bush, military, other carriers etc.) was significantly more successful.
For those unfortunate 80%, try not to let this shake you. (Easy for me to say, I already work there!) It used to be that getting hired at AC was like winning the lottery. Since CCAA, AC pilots have (arguably) just about reached terminal velocity in the "race to the bottom" and the future after 2009 is far from secure. (Hint: I am working to have my mortgage paid off and am filling in my logbook again!)
It was also true that not getting hired at AC was like being sentenced to a life of bush flying, Herman Nelsons, float pumps, and all. Not so anymore. When you look at the age of some of our new hires, their career earnings at WJ or Transat could easily approach those at AC. (Yes I know, the left seat of the 777 pays mega bucks but many will never see it. When you factor in what could be a decade or so on Position Group pay, career earnings look pretty close. ) Also, the aviation industries in Asia, Europe, and the Middle East are growing exponentially, with brand new airplanes sometimes parked because there is no one to fly them.
At the end of the day, if you didn't get hired, it was for the same reason as the vast majority. Your parents didn't buy you a "Packman" when you were a kid and because of that, you wanted to be a florist. I sincerely don't think your time at Jazz had a thing to do with it. Look around and sieze some of the many opportunities out there.
Jazz pilots are frequently alluding to some sort of discrimination. Comments insinuating to an 80% unsuccessful application rate have been repeatedly made.
While I am not on the interviewing board, I frequently drink coffee with a mate who is. And while I have never asked him about a bias either way toward Jazz pilots, here are a few facts to keep in mind.
No selection process is perfect, and my personal opinion is that ours may be far from it, however that doesn't necessarily mean that the process in unfair. Big Red, in their infinite wisdom have determined that video game mastery, or your potential aspirations as a florist, are more important than your love of aviation or knowledge of it. They are the employer, they get to decide. My buddy did tell me that the overall applicants success rate is about 20% and that no one particular background group ( Jazz, bush, military, other carriers etc.) was significantly more successful.
For those unfortunate 80%, try not to let this shake you. (Easy for me to say, I already work there!) It used to be that getting hired at AC was like winning the lottery. Since CCAA, AC pilots have (arguably) just about reached terminal velocity in the "race to the bottom" and the future after 2009 is far from secure. (Hint: I am working to have my mortgage paid off and am filling in my logbook again!)
It was also true that not getting hired at AC was like being sentenced to a life of bush flying, Herman Nelsons, float pumps, and all. Not so anymore. When you look at the age of some of our new hires, their career earnings at WJ or Transat could easily approach those at AC. (Yes I know, the left seat of the 777 pays mega bucks but many will never see it. When you factor in what could be a decade or so on Position Group pay, career earnings look pretty close. ) Also, the aviation industries in Asia, Europe, and the Middle East are growing exponentially, with brand new airplanes sometimes parked because there is no one to fly them.
At the end of the day, if you didn't get hired, it was for the same reason as the vast majority. Your parents didn't buy you a "Packman" when you were a kid and because of that, you wanted to be a florist. I sincerely don't think your time at Jazz had a thing to do with it. Look around and sieze some of the many opportunities out there.
Sportingrifle,
I agree with much of what you have to say. It is rather odd that a pilot group like ACPA would entrust their hiring to the HR psychologists that developed the process interviewies are going through today. And I'm surprised to hear that only 20% of the total hiring pool is getting on. But I think you may have misunderstood my above post (if that is in fact what you were responding to). What has happened in my case is that I was offered an interview based on an out of date profile. The e-mail said "If you work at Jazz let us know asap". Well, I do now work at Jazz. Upon this discovery I was sent another e-mail stating essentially "No interview for you". I'd now have to wait for my seniority number to come up. Who knows when that is going to be or if the LOU is even going to still be in place by that point (see other thread). Appearently this second e-mail I received is a standard format as a buddy of mine received the same thing. Bummer. Now, does that not a least have a faint smell of discrimination?
I suppose the lesson for all you kids out there is; if you want to go to AC, don't go to Jazz.
I agree with much of what you have to say. It is rather odd that a pilot group like ACPA would entrust their hiring to the HR psychologists that developed the process interviewies are going through today. And I'm surprised to hear that only 20% of the total hiring pool is getting on. But I think you may have misunderstood my above post (if that is in fact what you were responding to). What has happened in my case is that I was offered an interview based on an out of date profile. The e-mail said "If you work at Jazz let us know asap". Well, I do now work at Jazz. Upon this discovery I was sent another e-mail stating essentially "No interview for you". I'd now have to wait for my seniority number to come up. Who knows when that is going to be or if the LOU is even going to still be in place by that point (see other thread). Appearently this second e-mail I received is a standard format as a buddy of mine received the same thing. Bummer. Now, does that not a least have a faint smell of discrimination?
I suppose the lesson for all you kids out there is; if you want to go to AC, don't go to Jazz.
It is a sad fact, however HR department control hiring at many airlines around the world. Flight Operations eventually gets to have their say, however in most cases not until HR has their say. There are exceptions to this of course.
As far as hiring practices concerning Jazz pilots, I think it has more to do with Bean Counters more than anything. I think it is fair to say the bean counters want to avoid a repeat of the last hiring blitz.
As has been said, for those looking for bigger and better and shunned from AC, it is a big world out there... As years go by, I think it is fair to say that globalization of our industry will increase... and along with it the race to the bottom!
As far as hiring practices concerning Jazz pilots, I think it has more to do with Bean Counters more than anything. I think it is fair to say the bean counters want to avoid a repeat of the last hiring blitz.
As has been said, for those looking for bigger and better and shunned from AC, it is a big world out there... As years go by, I think it is fair to say that globalization of our industry will increase... and along with it the race to the bottom!
