A decent Canadian Purchase! (CC-117)

[prat]

Finally they military got their act together and picked up some aircraft this country can really put to good use! Lookin' good!!!

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1253336/M/

Only had it a couple of weeks and it's already flying missions all over the world.

[prat]

I was under the impression they had a mission to Afghanistan waiting for it shortly after the delivery ceremony. Must've been scrubbed.

[linecrew]

I know this is a nitpick but some of worked with/around/in the old Falcons but the C-17 became the C-177...the CC-117 is the Dassault Falcon 20 which has since been retired.

[shitdisturber]

I know this is a nitpick but some of worked with/around/in the old Falcons but the C-17 became the C-177...the CC-117 is the Dassault Falcon 20 which has since been retired.

It might indeed be a nitpick but it's an accurate one.

[Inverted2]

Why the heck don't they just call it a frickin' C-17 ??

Thats what it is after all

[C-GGGQ]

cause Canada has to have a C in everything and add an extra if it already has one. Leopard 2A6 = Leopard CS, M4 carbine = C7 carbine, F/A 18 = CF 18, it would be so much easier if we could just call them what they are.

[shitdisturber]

cause Canada has to have a C in everything and add an extra if it already has one. Leopard 2A6 = Leopard CS, M4 carbine = C7 carbine, F/A 18 = CF 18, it would be so much easier if we could just call them what they are.

With respect to aircraft in our military, the designators are relatively logical. CC = Canadian Cargo
CF = Canadian Fighter
CH = Canadian Helicopter
CT = Canadian Trainer

See it all makes sense.

[grimey]

cause Canada has to have a C in everything and add an extra if it already has one. Leopard 2A6 = Leopard CS, M4 carbine = C7 carbine, F/A 18 = CF 18, it would be so much easier if we could just call them what they are.

To be a nitpicking bastard, the F/A 18s in the RCAF are classified as the CF-118, and the M4 is the equivalent of the C8, not the C7 (which is equivalent to the M16).

But yea, can't we just call them what they are? We know they're Canadian, that's why they're in the CF.

[C-GGGQ]

oops sorry, didn't know about the 118 actually, just got the wrong number fo the gun though, since the weapons are just C1-9 (including our artillery pieces) C6-9 are the personal weapons, belt fed machine gun, M16, M4, and M249 SAW. what can i say most people would know what an M16 is, most would have no idea what a C7 is. I also love how the C3 is a 105 Howitzer, and the C3A1 is a sniper rifle (pretty sure its the M24 but don't quote me on it). Anyways back to the thread topic, C17's (pr CC177's) are awesome, wish i could get my hands on one

[Expat]

I think it is too late for Afghanistan!
Too big for body bags, and the tanks will not be worth repatriating in 2009 when they close the camp.

[flyinhigh]

That can't be a canadian air force aircraft. Its to clean

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1 ... hoto_nr=16

Until it looks all multi colored it won't be a true canadain aircraft.

[shitdisturber]

cause Canada has to have a C in everything and add an extra if it already has one. Leopard 2A6 = Leopard CS, M4 carbine = C7 carbine, F/A 18 = CF 18, it would be so much easier if we could just call them what they are.

To be a nitpicking bastard, the F/A 18s in the RCAF are classified as the CF-118, and the M4 is the equivalent of the C8, not the C7 (which is equivalent to the M16).

But yea, can't we just call them what they are? We know they're Canadian, that's why they're in the CF.

Well since we're being nitpicking bastards, it's actually the CF188.

[WJflyer]

The most incredible thing is that it only took 11 days from delivery (From formal acceptance ceremonies at Trenton on Sunday 12th Aug to first actual "mission" (i.e. not a training flight) on Thursday 23rd Aug.) of the aircraft to the very first actual operational mission, flying 30 tonnes of aid to Jamaica, non-stop to and back without refueling.

Not very many aircraft, or new pieces of equipment that we have introduced to the inventory that can do that.

That's quite a feat in and of itself, and a testament to the type of aircraft we have acquired. It also says wonders about the hard working, diligent project managers involved in the procurement.

We can now do thing that we never had the ability to do, or required tons of resources to do. Loads that were outsized can now be flown to where we need them. We no longer need to totally dissemble equipment to get it to fit. Multiple loads can be reduced to one. For example, we can fly DART's equipment to anywhere in the world in just 1 lift, rather than 20+ Herc flights.

The Brits love it. The Aussies love it. The Americans love it. We already love it. It says wonders about the quality and performance of the aircraft when in the USAF, one of the most popular aircraft desired by new pilots out of flight school is a cargo jet, over fighters and other combat aircraft.

This aircraft is also a friend to mechanics. You can hook up a laptop to it, and the aircraft will tell you if it is sick, and where.

All in all, a wonderful aircraft. Expect many good things to happen for the Canadian Forces in the immediate future.

[tofo]

not to mention, I've heard there are bullets flying over their and despite the sim, the pilots have what 3 circuts in there, and who knows 5-10 hrs doing the drills. lets let them get a few of the bugs worked out, before we send them into a hailstorm of lead.

what did your company do for your first 25-50-100 hrs in command?

[Rockie]

Finally they military got their act together and picked up some aircraft this country can really put to good use! Lookin' good!!!

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1253336/M/

Only had it a couple of weeks and it's already flying missions all over the world.

You mean the government finally got their act together. Does anyone know if the crews will be trained in in-flight refuelling?

[snag]

Does anyone know if the crews will be trained in in-flight refuelling?

To refuel from what?
I thought canadians only had hercs set up as tankers, and that would be odd. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[grimey]

Well since we're being nitpicking bastards, it's actually the CF188.

Doh, always get the smackdown when I try to look smarter than I am.

[Rockie]

Does anyone know if the crews will be trained in in-flight refuelling?

To refuel from what?
I thought canadians only had hercs set up as tankers, and that would be odd. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Canadian tankers (hercs and now the A310's) only have the probe and drogue type system, but the C17 is equipped to be refuelled by the boom / receptacle type system like the USAF uses. Canadian military aircraft have refuelled off American tankers for years if the situation requires it. That's why I asked.

[invertedattitude]

We should buy one of those new 767 Tankers, we'll need it when we buy the Air Force version of the JSF in 2014 anyway to re-fuel those puppies.

[SAR_YQQ]

429 Sqn crews will not be qualified for in-flight refueling. The CF does not possess the correct style of refueling probe (as already alluded to). We also will not be flying the aircraft in the same manner as the USAF - who carry multiple relief crews and keep flying the plane non-stop. Our crew day will run out before the max fuel load on the CC-177.

[shitdisturber]

429 Sqn crews will not be qualified for in-flight refueling. The CF does not possess the correct style of refueling probe (as already alluded to). We also will not be flying the aircraft in the same manner as the USAF - who carry multiple relief crews and keep flying the plane non-stop. Our crew day will run out before the max fuel load on the CC-177.

Now that's a great situation to be in as a pilot, run out of crew time before you run out of fuel.

[shitdisturber]

Well since we're being nitpicking bastards, it's actually the CF188.

Doh, always get the smackdown when I try to look smarter than I am.

You probably got messed up by the old CF-5; which was in militarese the CF116.

[Spokes]

Why the heck don't they just call it a frickin' C-17 ??

Thats what it is after all

No, it is not. Once it wears Canadian colors, it is a CC-177. It is the way the armed forces hase been doing things for years, and it will not likely change.

Frequently (but not always) when an aircraft enters Canadian service, it is not exactly as the factory model. The CF-188 (F18), the CP-140 (P3) and the CP-121 (S2) are three good examples that come to mind. These aircraft are all different to varying degrees from there American counterparts.

[optimus]

Are there any differences in the cdn. version and the US?

[CYOX]

on Thursday 23rd Aug.) of the aircraft to the very first actual operational mission, flying 30 tonnes of aid to Jamaica, non-stop to and back without refueling.


Multiple loads can be reduced to one. For example, we can fly DART's equipment to anywhere in the world in just 1 lift, rather than 20+ Herc flights.

It is a great aircraft but it is not that big, the Herc will carry 20 tonnes, so they got an extra 10 tonnes of freight on the C-17. The DART cargo that went to Sri Lanka would have fit into 8 Hercs.