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THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:02 am

This is the latest market prices...according to "aviation industry group"

(List price,CVM"old/new", Dry lease "Old/new")
Boeing B737-600 $49.50m $0.19m $0.25m $0.185m $0.245m
Boeing B737-700 $56.50m $22.25m $32.40m $0.210m $0.310m
Boeing B737-800 $67.75m $28.30m $41.05m $0.260m $0.380m

& INVERTEDATTITUDE!

I AM ONLY GOING TO SAY THIS ONCE....TT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KNOWLEDGE OF THE AVAITION INDUSTRY!
MANY OF THE BRITEST PEOPLE IN THIS INDUSTRY HAVE 0TT.....
LEAERNING TO FLY DOES NOT TEACH YOU THE BUSINESS!!

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:04 am

You do realize these "Bright" people you speak of are only bright amongst their own kind.

I'll ask in this thread too in case you missed it, could you outline your 5 years experience?

My flight experience has little to do with my knowledge of the aviation industry, what matters is experience in the industry, not outside looking in.

I'm not quite sure why you're having a coronary about this.

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:29 pm

What ever...look....I give up!

You don't want to talk sense...you just make personal attacks & you have not shown me much of oyur "Wonderfull 8 years of experience"

I come up with some good arguments...you just attack me??

What if I had 5000TT......would you actually listen??? For once??

I like a good debate...you just turned it sour!

Troubleshot · Post by **Troubleshot** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:33 pm

is this kid for real !!??

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:55 pm

Again....

flyin' fish · Post by **flyin' fish** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:07 pm

well, the more we provoke him, the more posts we'll get and the closer we'll get that par-tay.
Tell me more Mr. Iceman.

Rotten Apple #1 · Post by **Rotten Apple #1** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:09 pm

I just wanna know if he's got an 'Altimeter Clock" on the wall somewhere at his pad...

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:19 pm

probably a baro/gps watch...

Hey Iceman, how can you tell who the pilot is at the nude beach? Huge sunglasses, Huge watch, and a tiny dick. How do you measure up?

CanadaEH · Post by **CanadaEH** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:35 pm

I come up with some good arguments...you just attack me??

No, you come up with a bunch of nonsense.

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:04 pm

"Nonsense"...wow!!

So tell me...what kind of logic would you use if your an airline trying to set up a proper netwrok with the right aircraft...
Pick a number from a hat???

You have yet to challenge one of my points...all you have said was (nonsense, blah blah, you this, you that, etc...)
Sounds like you don't know much to me??

Sorry guys dont have GPS nor altimeter clock....but I do have a collection of Dragon/gemini model aircraft (A320,A330,A340,777,747,767, etc...)

Don't sport the sun glasses too much anymore.....

Don't think size is a problem boys....my grilfriend was winning a bit this mourning cuz her pu$$y was super soar from last night....

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:55 pm

This guy must be a pilot, look how he spelt "sore"

Must be taking my advice on the gliding lessons.

I can picture ICEMAN working on a 737 very soon tho.

Yep, walk up to his baby with his personally modified flight plan and:

Open Valve, empty hose, pump in 38 Litres, Open Valve, Empty Hose, Pump in 23 Litres, Close the door and ready to go.

Although maybe then we'd have to call him BLUEICEMAN

It's fun being petty sometimes isn't it? I need a new hobby.

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:48 am

THEICEMAN wrote:Don't think size is a problem boys....my grilfriend was winning a bit this mourning cuz her pu$$y was super soar from last night....

OMFG that is priceless!

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:50 am

Inverted, I feel bad, I don't think ACE is all that familiar with internet forums, or when he's getting his chain yanked...

I do feel bad, but, not really. I am enjoying the entertainment, though.

C-MNOP · Post by **C-MNOP** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:54 am

Iceman,

Dont Let them get you down. You have good points.

Anyways, just like the last bunch of times....... eventually, it will close for one reason or another. So....thats just the facts.

C-MNOP

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:37 am

No worries.....they are just a bunch of clowns...that's all!

"eventually, it will close for one reason or another. So....thats just the facts."

Maybe so.....& at the time when CJ was running scheduled routes....loads just didn't seem convincing....
Some of the routes like YHZ-YYT, YHZ-YDF, YHZ-YYZ were really strong!
+
It's hard to base an airline where there are only 1.5 million people in the region....

Who knows......I think they should keep the 735 because the cost of ownership is really cheap....
Is there really a need for NGs???

(OH....& I spelled checked it for u all.....happy???)
That might be there undoing???

CanadaEH · Post by **CanadaEH** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:45 am

You have yet to challenge one of my points...all you have said was (nonsense, blah blah, you this, you that, etc...)
Sounds like you don't know much to me??

You're only slightly right on very few points. Most of what you're saying is nonsense.

How's this:

Jetsgo failed because
1) they spread their network out from coast-to-coast
2) they tried to compete against two and in some cases three other more well established airlines on many routes
3) they had an inferior inflight product and poor customer service
4) they had an inefficient aircraft not suitable for some of the routes they were flying
5) they had an aircraft type that required a lot of maintenance work (which led to a lot of delays and cancellations) and cost more to operate
6) they ran into some seriously negative PR with all of the safety incidents they had (60+ over a span of 4 years, I believe?)
7) they started pricing tickets below cost, not believing the competition would match

they decided that they'd challenge WS & AC on YVR-YYC and YVR-YEG and AC in the triangle (yes, you were right on that point)

All of those points played a role in Jetsgo's demise. People may have flocked to Jetsgo because the price of flying YVR-YYZ was $49 or , but not very many people flew Jetsgo if the price was the same on the competition. Nothing that Jetsgo offered kept people coming back. Especially when they had some serious incidents which raised more than a few eyebrows at TC and on the aviation forum's.

That's it for me.

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:09 am

") they spread their network out from coast-to-coast
2) they tried to compete against two and in some cases three other more well established airlines on many routes
3) they had an inferior inflight product and poor customer service
4) they had an inefficient aircraft not suitable for some of the routes they were flying
5) they had an aircraft type that required a lot of maintenance work (which led to a lot of delays and cancellations) and cost more to operate
6) they ran into some seriously negative PR with all of the safety incidents they had (60+ over a span of 4 years, I believe?)
7) they started pricing tickets below cost, not believing the competition would match
they decided that they'd challenge WS & AC on YVR-YYC and YVR-YEG and AC in the triangle (yes, you were right on that point)\"

Yes...100% I agree...did I not come with some of these points before???
+Challenged AC on rapid air routes (Yyz-YUL, YVR-YYC, YVR-YYZ, ETC..)
+Ticket pricing @ 10 cents for YUL-YYZ
+Shit airplanes
+Grew too fast...
+Horrible PR

Though I don't agree 100% with point 5.......yes maintanace cost was super high on the 83s & F-100s....but the cost of ownership was super cheap....Leblanc bought the F-100 for virtually nothing..
Maybe it's my opnion, but I thought management did not mind too much about delays....I believed that they expected it given the aircraft they were using???
But , maybe that's just me

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:10 am

Oh ya...aI almost forgot..
Last point about Jetsgo, then that's it!

Couple of months prior to shutdown, TC revoked their abaility to fly above 29,000Ft....
Xtra fuel burn.....

whipline · Post by **whipline** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:36 am

This attack on ICEMAN kind of reminds me of a certain poster in here getting absolutely schooled by DAGGER on another forum a few years back!!

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:45 pm

THEICEMAN wrote:Oh ya...aI almost forgot..
Last point about Jetsgo, then that's it!

Couple of months prior to shutdown, TC revoked their abaility to fly above 29,000Ft....
Xtra fuel burn.....

Get your facts right, TC didnt 'Revoke their ability'

RVSM airspace was implemented and idiot managment didn't file the proper paperwork and JetsGo didn't get RVSM status, and it's not above 29,000, they were restricted to FL280 and below (non-rvsm airspace)

I thought the F100 was a nice enough airplane, anyone who's worked around them will always remeber those RR engines and their unique engine start-up sounds.

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:16 pm

Didn't know that it was related to RVSM.....thanx

The F100....I used to fly those wth AA when I was kid...great memories!

flyin' fish · Post by **flyin' fish** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:59 am

Anybody who reads more than the National Post knows that it had to do with RVSM paperwork. Too much wizz and vinegar in ya Iceman.

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:50 am

it was delayed, but they did get it eventually, only to have it revoked.

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:14 pm

Hey if you guys do have that 1000 post party, I'll go and buy ICEMAN a beer.

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:36 pm

Inverted...how old are you?

U don't sound like a mature adult to me???

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