FO time towards ATPL, new rule?

Buzz Lightyear · Post by **Buzz Lightyear** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:19 am

Hi everyone,

Does anyone know if TC will soon implement the new ICAO rule regarding FO hours being counted as 1 for 1 towards the ATPL for 2 crew certified aircraft?

Thanks!

M.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:28 am

Heard from a TC employee that is to come in the next 8 months. Anyone have a firm date?

Buzz Lightyear · Post by **Buzz Lightyear** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:58 am

And I guess it won't be retro-active?

I need my ATPL hours before December next year or I'll have to rewrite the exams and as it is now I don't fly enough as a FO to meet the deadline!

Thank god they accept the good old C150 PIC hours towards it though

p.s: can you confirm that dual time counts as 1 for 1 as well?

niko · Post by **niko** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:35 am

Absolutely.

TopperHarley · Post by **TopperHarley** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:43 am

When I went to go write my A's a few months back they told me there is no plan to implement this any time soon. They heard about it, but said it would most likely still be a while before it happens.

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:49 am

BL, and for the most part, all others.. This is just a heads up when dealing with TC and new regulations.
It has been my experience that when TC introduce or simplify certian requirements or regulations, they only give away a small bit at a time. There may be other requirements that render many changes either ineffective or very restrictive. Other times, there is a complete overhaul of the whole process. It is important to read the whole regulation carefully to competely understand where you stand.

Two crew aircraft are an example.

When you talk about a two crew certified aircraft, there is, OR MAY BE a difference between a CERTIFIED two crew airplane such as a Dash 8 or certified single pilot airplanes such as the Metro 11 that require two crew when carrying more than 9 paying passengers or airplanes such as a Navajo where the customer requires or wants two pilots. Then there are airplanes that are certified as a single pilot airplane in the USA but TC requires two pilots, aka Metro 111. Is a Metro 111 a certified two pilot airplane? The FAA says no, TC says yes, but there are lets where TC says the 111 can be operated as a single pilot airplane.
I am not the big expert, maybe TC Guy is, but some people may get caught up in the literal interpetation of the regs. I remember in 1996, when TC sent inspectors around the country to introduce the new regs and one thing that was stressed was to read the whole chapter. Headlines were not adequate.
But I do hope the new ruling will include airplanes operated as a two crew airplane. That may require a PPC as opposed to a PCC or "the warm body in the other seat".
Just read carefully and make sure you qualify. Meanwhile, lots of luck and give'r hell.

groundtoflightdeck · Post by **groundtoflightdeck** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:56 am

TC descided that that rule will not be implemented now. They see the need for it, but the new ICAO standards have been inturpreated and TC feels that using 2 crew FO time does not follow the standard. So keep taking the extra trips for now.

Buzz Lightyear · Post by **Buzz Lightyear** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:10 am

Thanks to you all for the answers.

I'm currently flying the Embraer 110 which is a 2 crew certified/required aircraft.....not that it helps if TC doesn't implement the new rule though!

I thought every country falling under ICAO regulations had to follow their initiatives, at least within a certain timeframe.

Safe flights!

drifter · Post by **drifter** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:57 pm

I was once told that if you get a type rating on a 2 crew aircraft once you write the exam, you have as long as you need to get the time. The exams just get "frozen" from my understanding.

Cap'n P8 · Post by **Cap'n P8** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:03 pm

You are right drifter, they are locked in, and you won't have to do them again if you do a type rating.

Buzz Lightyear · Post by **Buzz Lightyear** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:28 pm

Do you guys mean that I DO NOT need to complete my hours within 2 years of writting the ATPL since I have a PPC on the Embraer?!

I need to call TC!

groundtoflightdeck · Post by **groundtoflightdeck** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:22 pm

Yeah a quick call to liscencing will clear everything up. Don't forget to shop around at different offices, they all have subtle differences that could make your life better or worse.

That ICAO rule wasn't exactly written in such a way that FOs on 2 crew machines needed to get 1-1 time, so TC isn't going to implement it.