LOU 67 cheques

yycflyguy · Post by **yycflyguy** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:28 pm

thrust set wrote:Just returned home from a four day trip that was crewed by all F/O's on reserve and it seems that a few have not received their cargo payment cheque. Yet all Captains that I have chatted with did receive theirs.

Question, has anyone as of Monday Sept 17th not received there payment.

Got mine on Friday. When you are on flat pay you REALLY need the bucks! I guess I can hang up the g-string for another month...

Martin Tamme · Post by **Martin Tamme** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:58 pm

Sage wrote:Martin Tamme is holding my cheque for me. Why not ask him? He might be holding yours too!

Thanks Martin!

Sorry, I cashed it and took your sister for a night out of town

Sage · Post by **Sage** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:29 pm

Martin Tamme wrote:
Sage wrote:Martin Tamme is holding my cheque for me. Why not ask him? He might be holding yours too!

Thanks Martin!

Sorry, I cashed it and took your sister for a night out of town

I showed her your post. With the amount on that cheque, she said she won't even put one foot out of the house nevermind out on the town.

PilotFlying · Post by **PilotFlying** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:22 am

Does anyone know the cutoff date for new hire classes that are still eligible to receive the cheques?

Regards,

Martin Tamme · Post by **Martin Tamme** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:37 am

PilotFlying wrote:Does anyone know the cutoff date for new hire classes that are still eligible to receive the cheques?

Regards,

Active ACPA member on June 30th, 2007

PilotFlying · Post by **PilotFlying** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:18 pm

Thanks Martin...

So just to clarify, if you were line checked after 30 Jun, you're out of luck?

Regards,

Martin Tamme · Post by **Martin Tamme** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:55 pm

PilotFlying wrote:Thanks Martin...

So just to clarify, if you were line checked after 30 Jun, you're out of luck?

Regards,

Correct

Lever · Post by **Lever** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:37 am

Martin,

How about the 80 or so new hires that were to be reviewed during the meeting in Winnipeg? We in luck?

conehead · Post by **conehead** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:14 pm

Question; did all pilots recieve the same amount of money, or did ACPA give various amounts depending on seniority?

yycflyguy · Post by **yycflyguy** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:01 pm

The reason that the union decided to dispurse the funds equally was to avoid the membership paying tax on it. If they started splitting it up based on seniority or position it would have been taxable. So all active members as of June 30th get the same slice of the pie... if you weren't active on that date, wait till next year as there will another, smaller dispursement for the union.

abc xyz · Post by **abc xyz** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:35 am

Hope all the new hires are enjoying my old mans money. Puts up with all the bullshit making sacrifices over the years then retires on June 1 after 34 yrs and gets not a dime. a guy on the property a couple of months gets a cut. what horseshit.

Brick Head · Post by **Brick Head** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:28 am

ABC CZ wrote:Hope all the new hires are enjoying my old mans money. Puts up with all the bullshit making sacrifices over the years then retires on June 1 after 34 yrs and gets not a dime. a guy on the property a couple of months gets a cut. what horse shit.

Hmmmm,

That's one way to look at it I suppose. Another way to look at it is that your Dad also paid the least going through CCAA. The 320 gave up 5% more. The Burrito 15% more. The poor guys in the position group even more. Who is affected the most? New hires because they have work their way through every stage of the cuts that were taken.

Some may be of the opinion that your old man has enjoyed the new hires money for the last 4 years.

Now don't get me wrong I don't begrudge you Dad for taking less of a pay cut than me through CCAA. As a matter of fact I welcome it. The decision was made to protect pensions. It will make his pension higher and mine too.

By the way. Your Dad is welcome.

Oh and not to be remiss myself. To all those behind me.....thank You

However I do begrudge individuals who view things like this in isolation. We are an association. Your Dad didn't take the same pay cut as everyone else for a very valid reason. The Cargo payment was dispersed in the way it was for a very valid reason as well.

Is this really the best place to discuss this?

abc xyz · Post by **abc xyz** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:06 am

he needs to thank nobody brick. he did his time made sacrifices in the past to keep guys employed like flying 70hrs a month. that cost him thousands.

it was ACPA's decision to secure the higher paying jobs not my dads. however he was directly affected by all these so called LOU's. im dumbfounded that you come here and say he doesnt deserve a kick at some of the money. im sure if you were in his boots you would be mightly pissed as well. its amazing how a guy retired july 1 is somehow entitled to it but june 1 guys are left out both hired the same year retiring off the same equipment.

Brick Head · Post by **Brick Head** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:54 am

abc xyz wrote:he needs to thank nobody brick. he did his time made sacrifices in the past to keep guys employed like flying 70hrs a month. that cost him thousands.

it was ACPA's decision to secure the higher paying jobs not my dads. however he was directly affected by all these so called LOU's. im dumbfounded that you come here and say he doesn't deserve a kick at some of the money. I'm sure if you were in his boots you would be mightly pissed as well. its amazing how a guy retired july 1 is somehow entitled to it but june 1 guys are left out both hired the same year retiring off the same equipment.

abc xyz,

I am not suggesting your Dad has not made sacrifices. Quite the contrary in fact. I am in debt to your Dad for keeping me employed during the time you speak of.

But he is not the only one to have made a sacrifice. I whole heartedly agreed to the extra cut for the narrow body fleet to protect your Dad's pension. Does that sacrifice not count?

it was ACPA's decision to secure the higher paying jobs not my dads.

It was ACPA's decision for your Dad. This latest decision is ACPA's decision for someone else. It is called collective bargaining.

Don't minimize the contribution we have made to your Dad. 5% of his wage for the last 4 years. Plus the added pension that adds as long as he lives.

JazzJetDriver · Post by **JazzJetDriver** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:22 am

Here it is, all along I thought ACPA was, "One for all and all for one." Was I ever wrong...talk about a house divided.

Gurundu the Rat · Post by **Gurundu the Rat** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:17 am

Hope all the new hires are enjoying my old mans money. Puts up with all the bullshit making sacrifices over the years then retires on June 1 after 34 yrs and gets not a dime. a guy on the property a couple of months gets a cut. what horseshit.

You're kidding right? You gotta draw the line somewhere. What do you say to the guys who were hired a year or two ago and frozen at Jazz. They don't get any either. Another benefit of being frozen. I am one of them. On line in July. Too bad! missed the cutoff. Life goes on. I'm sure your dad can tighten his belt for a few lean months and make it through just fine.

flying realtor · Post by **flying realtor** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:07 pm

Hey yycflyguy

with all that new found money how about a nice shinny new condo townhouse for you and the Miss's

thrust set · Post by **thrust set** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:55 pm

abc xyz

Is your daddy really hard-up for 2262? If so, then he has made far worse decisions in his life then pick one month earlier to retire.

Forgive me but is this money not for the future hours the association is losing allowing the cargo contact to wrap up in a few years.

I think you should be grateful the association never gave it to him, he just might have bought a one way ticket by boat across the pond for his crybaby son.

Wipe the tears away, the sun will rise tomorrow for your dad.

Cheers

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:11 pm

Well said thrust set. His dad makes more money on the ACPA pension than most of us make on the line. So much for an underfunded pension. With all due respect to our retired men and women.

abc xyz · Post by **abc xyz** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:01 pm

so im a "crybaby" for thinking my old man got shafted. This venom is all coming from people who GOT PAID. kinda funny but I think principles went out the window.

ACPA had ZERO problems taking his union dues till the last day then when a grievance that directly affected him is settled while hes on the property they say see ya dont let the door hit ya on the way out.

why was he even paying union dues then????
did his money not go to fund your arguement - retain lawyers????

And yes he is quite enjoying his retirement and yes he has a very nice pension. hopefully it will be around for you guys to enjoy.

this issue is done - I kinda think if you were in his shoes you would be dissapointed as well. money is money after all thats why we work even if its only $2200 we all can find ways to enjoy it.

cheers and fly safe

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:15 pm

abc.
you're missing the point buddy. this is future money. all pilots on the list have agreed to this. the cutoff line has to be somewhere. if you just got hired, you don't get the cheque. if you just retired, you don't either. where do we draw the line? you're not a crybaby. you have a valid point. it's just that there's a more valid point to be made. I know your dad is thinking principle and not amount but the fact is ACPA has to consider legal fairness and not sentimental values. I think there are bigger fish to fry right now. sorry for the lack of support on this one.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:56 pm

abc xyz wrote:Hope all the new hires are enjoying my old mans money. Puts up with all the bullshit making sacrifices over the years then retires on June 1 after 34 yrs and gets not a dime. a guy on the property a couple of months gets a cut. what horseshit.

That was eloquent

I hope when I retire, I have been able to somehow make things better for the guys coming in. If it were to cost me 2200 bucks, I'd say I got off pretty fu^&*ing cheap.

Quite frankly, I am much happier seeing a guy on flat salary rather than a guy on fat salary get a cut. We all make sacrifices, not just your Dad.

Motto Pilot · Post by **Motto Pilot** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:43 pm

What is the definition of an ACPA "active member"?

Watch Out · Post by **Watch Out** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:41 pm

abc xyz wrote:Hope all the new hires are enjoying my old mans money. Puts up with all the bullshit making sacrifices over the years then retires on June 1 after 34 yrs and gets not a dime. a guy on the property a couple of months gets a cut. what horseshit.

Are you aware that on July 1st, ACPA increased union dues by 40% to pay off the deficit? It applies to Active Members only.

They could have used the LOU 67 funds to pay off the deficit, since LOU 67 stipulated that the Cargo settlement would be given to ACPA, not the pilots.

L67.6. Payments shall be made directly to ACPA unless otherwise agreed to by the parties.

LOU 67 specifically stated that Article 1.11 would not apply. Article 1.11.02 pertains to distribution of wetlease credits.

L67.15. It is agreed that this cargo wet lease arrangement is a separate and distinct wet lease and is not captured by the provisions of Article 1.11.

Maybe instead of increasing dues, the funds could have been used to pay off the deficit, with any excess going towards a 'dues holiday'. I assume your father was around when the deficit was created.

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???? · Post by **????** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:45 am

My question is, if you completed your first line flight prior to June 30. But did not send in your paperwork plus $5 until after that date are you still eligible to recieve LOU 67? Thanks