turn off your lights!!!

PT6-114A · Post by **PT6-114A** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:18 pm

Thanks to the B200 jack ass yesderday in CYYC wating to depaet on RWY34 that would not turn off there lights as they sat there across from us in the dark!! (around 0630)
For the love of god think of other pople around you !!

Flying Nutcracker · Post by **Flying Nutcracker** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:28 pm

Always fight fire with fire... I'd turn on every lightbulb I have to prove a point!

2R · Post by 2R » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:55 pm

My money is on the vans lights winning that pissing match !!!!

Lurch · Post by **Lurch** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:01 pm

How does somebody get that far in aviation and not figure that one out yet

I would just turn on and then off my lights and see what happens. If they leave them on then turn yours on and leave them on.

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:37 pm

Wait till the idiot taxiis onto the runway and then make mention they have snow and ice on the critical surfaces. Doesn't matter that snow and ice is still a month way.

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:41 pm

Yeah... I like that one.

... · Post by **...** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:57 pm

AND ONE MORE THING...MOVE OVER TO THE RIGHT AWAY FROM THE PASSING LANE!!!!

WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE THAT SIT IN THE LEFT LANE!?!

the...end

stef · Post by **stef** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:58 pm

Ahh. He probably forgot them. Give a guy a break.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:21 pm

That was me telling you TO TURN ON YOUR LIGHTS. THERE WAS SOMEONE ON YOUR WING, SOME, THING.

THIS..IS..MASS MADNESS YOU MANIACS...TURN ON..YOUR....LIGHTS.

D5GRVTY · Post by **D5GRVTY** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:59 pm

Madness

complexintentions · Post by **complexintentions** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:12 am

Actually if you really want to be helpful you could just let them know, on the radio where it's being recorded, that one of their nav llights is burned out...can't remember if a BE20 has dual bulbs?

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:29 am

That's what I was thinking. Just mention it on ground....or tower. I'm sure they'd comply. Or you could complain and bitch, like a little girl, on avcanada. After all, everybody wants to hear that you just are not bright enough to transmit to the guy? You're the one who sounds like a red neck. He might not have even known you were there?
BTW, what is a "pople"?

conehead · Post by **conehead** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:01 am

THERE WAS SOMEONE ON YOUR WING, SOME, THING.

William Shatner's finest performance!

rigpiggy · Post by **rigpiggy** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:51 am

USE OF EXTERIOR AIRCRAFT LIGHTS TO MAKE AIRCRAFT MORE CONSPICUOUS.

b. Exterior Lights. To the extent possible and consistent with aircraft equipage, operating limitations, and flightcrew procedures, pilots should illuminate exterior lights as follows:
(1) Engines Running. Turn on the rotating beacon whenever an engine is running.
(2) Taxiing. Prior to commencing taxi, turn on navigation, position, anti-collision, and logo lights, if available. To signal intent to other pilots, consider turning on the taxi light when the aircraft is moving or intending to move on the ground, and turning it off when stopped, yielding, or as a consideration to other pilots or ground personnel. Strobe lights should not be illuminated during taxi if they will adversely affect the vision of other pilots or ground personnel.
(3) Crossing a Runway. All exterior lights should be illuminated when crossing a runway.
CAUTION: Flightcrews should consider any adverse effects to safety that illuminating the forward facing lights will have on the vision of other pilots or ground personnel during runway crossings.
(4) Entering the departure runway for takeoff or “position and hold.” When entering a runway either for takeoff, or when taxiing into “position and hold,” flightcrews should make their aircraft more conspicuous to aircraft on final behind them and to ATC by turning on lights (except for landing lights) that highlight the aircraft’s silhouette. Strobe lights should not be illuminated if they will adversely affect the vision of other pilots.
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9/26/03 AC 120-74A (5) Takeoff. Turn on landing lights when takeoff clearance is received, or when commencing takeoff roll at an airport without an operating control tower.
NOTE: The SOP of turning on landing lights when takeoff clearance is received is a signal to other pilots, ATC, and ground personnel that the aircraft is moving down the runway for takeoff.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:14 am

Only in aviation would you get all that crap written down because pilots are really stupid, and lack common sense. I have never, or will I ever spend the time required to read all that crap to tell me when and where to use lights! Where, oh, where are the directions that will ensure I am wiping may ass in an approved manner???

rigpiggy · Post by **rigpiggy** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:21 am

Doc, I wish that it didn't have to be codified, but common sense ain't that common

CP · Post by CP » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:54 am

I remember when I was getting my night rating my instructor told me I needed to become proficient in taxiing around at night with my lights off so as not to offend other pilots. He taught me how to line up the blue taxi lights as a guide for turning etc. After a few minutes of his impressive demonstration I timidly suggested that there was something in front of us. He grudgingly stopped and turned on the landing light just in time to see a snow bank 2 feet away. We had to shut down and push it back.Ever since that experience I have used what ever lights I need to avoid an embarrasing encounter with an object while at the same time respecting other peoples sensitivities to bright lights in their face.Its just a flick of a switch or 2.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:00 am

Prior to commencing taxi, turn on navigation, position, anti-collision, and logo lights, if available.

This is especially important in bright sunlight as navigation lights on will really make your airplane more visible.

Puddle Jumper · Post by **Puddle Jumper** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:08 am

He who is without sin among you, may cast the first stone!

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:14 am

You can't criticize airlines for having detailed SOP's. They like to tell you that you are the pinnacle of aviation but anyone who has worked for one understands that SOP's just cover the lowest common denominator pilot within the group. You can ask for more from everyone, just don't expect more. SOP's just guarantee the lowest acceptable knowledge and performance level.

Dominic220 · Post by **Dominic220** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:44 am

Cat Driver wrote:
Prior to commencing taxi, turn on navigation, position, anti-collision, and logo lights, if available.
This is especially important in bright sunlight as navigation lights on will really make your airplane more visible.

well cat, one would think that you would be using them within reason. Despite common sense not being common anymore, logic would ask - why would you taxi around, in the middle of the day, with your taxi light(s) on? It's a waste of the aircraft electricity, and shortens the life of the bulb itself (well, at least in GA planes due to people turning them on, and leaving them on).

... · Post by **...** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:47 am

Cat Driver wrote:
Prior to commencing taxi, turn on navigation, position, anti-collision, and logo lights, if available.
This is especially important in bright sunlight as navigation lights on will really make your airplane more visible.

Don't forget your lucky plastic vest for double the vis @ +30*C weather...it's the best feeling EVOR!!!

I've contacted 'Dolce & Gabbana' the Italian designers for an Haute Couture version for those willing to spend the coin! Calvin Klein was busy making mouth guards for the Maple Leafs

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:55 am

well cat, one would think that you would be using them within reason.

Exactly, turning on nav lights in bright daylight serves no puropse other than shortening the useful life time of the bulbs...useful as in during darkness.

This is just another example of some moron sitting in a cubicle making up policies that lower everyone else down to the moron level.

Go Guns · Post by **Go Guns** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:33 am

I leave my nav lights on as an external indication the aircraft is powered up. It may also serve as an indication to others as to whether I'm parked, or may move at any second.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:41 am

I leave my nav lights on as an external indication the aircraft is powered up. It may also serve as an indication to others as to whether I'm parked, or may move at any second.

What are the odds that anyone can actually see if your nav lights are on or off in bright sunlight?

turn off your lights!!!

turn off your lights!!!

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