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I'll wager a guess that the limited pool of pilots has to do with the fact that Hawaii flights fall under ETOPS. Doesn't quite make sense to train everyone for ETOPS flying, when 95% of your runs (or more) aren't crossing oceans.jadedash wrote:Why the 200 - 240 pilots that serve Hawii? And what would a typical parring with routes look like for a Calgary based pilot?
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My guess is the "Hawaii Club" would want to stay fairly small. After all,
three days in Hawaii instead of Winnipeg in the middle of winter?......... Ya, I would want to make the "ETOPS for just a few of us" arguement too.
Is it possible the senior folks are the "Chosen Ones"? Nah, I'm sure the selected few are from all seniority levels, fairness for all, right?
three days in Hawaii instead of Winnipeg in the middle of winter?......... Ya, I would want to make the "ETOPS for just a few of us" arguement too.
Is it possible the senior folks are the "Chosen Ones"? Nah, I'm sure the selected few are from all seniority levels, fairness for all, right?
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AsheetMaDraws wrote:My guess is the "Hawaii Club" would want to stay fairly small. After all,
three days in Hawaii instead of Winnipeg in the middle of winter?......... Ya, I would want to make the "ETOPS for just a few of us" arguement too.
Is it possible the senior folks are the "Chosen Ones"? Nah, I'm sure the selected few are from all seniority levels, fairness for all, right?
Actually, it does fall to all seniority levels.In fact, we are given a choice of whether or not we do etops.Don't want it then move on down the list to the next person.Only requirement for etops is you have to have a year in with WestJet.
ETOP's are NOT based on "senority". First you decide if you want to do them, if you do then it will be based on when your line check is due. If there is a requirment for ETOP pilot's at the time then you will get scheduled to do one. If your line check happens to fall in the summer when we are not doing ETOP's you may be SOL.
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The layover's in Hawaii are not 3 days, they are actually only 24 hrs. With the frequency increase in 08' they maybe less. There are pro's and con's to doing these flights, sure it's great to get a break from the winters but pairing credit is low and it's red-eye flying.
The layover's in Hawaii are not 3 days, they are actually only 24 hrs. With the frequency increase in 08' they maybe less. There are pro's and con's to doing these flights, sure it's great to get a break from the winters but pairing credit is low and it's red-eye flying.
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If it's an early morning flight and my body hasn't had time to fully prepare itself for the day ahead (Another sideline quesiton, is it more desirable to fly long flights (CYYC-CYYT) and the like as opposed to milk runs like all the short hops between Alberta/BC?
Regarding Hawaii, I've been at WJ almost 5 years, and I'm skipping out of Hawaii for the second year in a row. Some guys/gals want it, and some don't. Same for some want to keep all flying all out west (short haul). Some don't.
I just don't get the logic... they can throw a WATRS airspace flight at us once per year without a check out... but we need an ETOPS check for Hawaii??
What's the difference in procedure between WATRS and ETOPS? Oh wait... there is no 'layover' on our WATRS routes
Maybe it is a club.
What's the difference in procedure between WATRS and ETOPS? Oh wait... there is no 'layover' on our WATRS routes

Maybe it is a club.
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[quote="invertedattitude"]Another sideline quesiton, is it more desirable to fly long flights (CYYC-CYYT) and the like as opposed to milk runs like all the short hops between Alberta/BC?[/quote]
I love a mix--long stuff is great for high credit, but short haul stuff is probably more fun, and less butt numbing. But the variety of flights and destinations is a real plus from my perspective.
I love a mix--long stuff is great for high credit, but short haul stuff is probably more fun, and less butt numbing. But the variety of flights and destinations is a real plus from my perspective.
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ETOPS doesn't have to be line checked for Transport, WestJet chooses to do it. Although I agree 100% it should be done like it is. I'm just half belly aching because I'm always due in summer time. I do think WATRS should be a line check as well... but it isn't.forbes wrote:ETOP's is governed and certified to WestJet through Transport, WATRS airspace isn't.But ya 700 ETOP's is a "club"![]()
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forbes wrote:WJ 700,
Go and talk to BB maybe something can be done for you so you to can become a "pineapple panzy"![]()
(also I am pretty sure part of our ETOP's cert. was a line check must be done annually).
I believe the line check is good for life.Just have to make the crossing once a year for currancy.

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I have some lavatory anxiety issues...
I have some lavatory anxiety issues...
Johnny, my wise words to you from someone who HAD your troubles.
BUILD A NEST BUDDY, Feel the freedom. Also, I find the dump and immediate flush method most enjoyable. I guess you could say my sh*t don't stink. One other thing, wait til the f/a's block the first row with a bar cart, then......., you got all the time in the world my friend.
Enjoy
Johnny, my wise words to you from someone who HAD your troubles.
BUILD A NEST BUDDY, Feel the freedom. Also, I find the dump and immediate flush method most enjoyable. I guess you could say my sh*t don't stink. One other thing, wait til the f/a's block the first row with a bar cart, then......., you got all the time in the world my friend.
Enjoy
If you noticed according to one of the latest bulletins, there is pretty much no difference in procedures now between WATRS and ETOPS. Keeps things simple...I like thatWJ700 wrote:I just don't get the logic... they can throw a WATRS airspace flight at us once per year without a check out... but we need an ETOPS check for Hawaii??
What's the difference in procedure between WATRS and ETOPS? Oh wait... there is no 'layover' on our WATRS routes![]()
Maybe it is a club.

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Just for clarification, ALL pilots are based in Calgary.
As for long haul vs short haul, the only difference is the ETOPS people, the bottom line is all pilots are going to work the same number of days, every month. It's up to the company how they want us to fill those days. Obviously, people have their bidding preferences but for the most part, you do get a mixed bag.
For every sun destination pairing I have, I get a 5 legger / day in BC and Alberta.
gil
As for long haul vs short haul, the only difference is the ETOPS people, the bottom line is all pilots are going to work the same number of days, every month. It's up to the company how they want us to fill those days. Obviously, people have their bidding preferences but for the most part, you do get a mixed bag.
For every sun destination pairing I have, I get a 5 legger / day in BC and Alberta.
gil
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What changes when you enter WATRS region for pilots? For example on this map you're radar in canada, to non-radar (NY Ocean) and transition into the WATRS region, what if anything changes for you at that point, since you're already non-radar?

And for those not familiar with WATRS


And for those not familiar with WATRS

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