Massive transport aircraft clips fence

[twotter]

PS: did Van Wyck register his orange Eagle in Canada?

No, it was N15V. Cowboy's 104 was CF-COW, not that I would want to date myself..

I'll bet most of the people on this board have no idea what we are talking about..

[Mitch Cronin]

Cowboy McCloskey of DEI?

[sh*t magnet]

Of course, who else?

[Masta-Fred]

PAL approaches all the way!

[WJflyer]

Off-topic...

Marine One is Sikorsky...

Not for long...

VH-71
VH-71 Presidential Helicopter Replacement
VH-71 Presidential Helicopter Test Aircraft Completes Maiden Flight

Of course, with the continued problems plaguing the CH-149 Cormorant, the VH-71 program is well behind schedule and the project team is struggling to deal with the four different companies in three countries that are building it... <shrug>

It is apparently an issue with how and what material the rear rotors are constructed from. On the Sikorsky S-92, the rear rotor is titanium, I believe, while on the EH-101, it is composite, which is then machined. It is a wonderful marvel of engineering, the EH-101 rotor, but composites are only strong in one direction, which is problematic on rear rotors of helicopters. From my understanding EH is working on trying to strengthen the rear rotor by using titanium back plates, but that caused cracking in another part of the hub, so we are back to square one.

The Americans are demanding that the US-101 be ops restriction free right out of the box. EH is working on yet another fix on the tail rotor, and I hope that they switch from composites to pure metal.

[twinpratts]

" During the overshoot, the aircraft struck and tore out approximately 150 feet of the airport perimeter fence..."
There's no substitute for more hosepower

[WJflyer]

Another update: They are at it again, this time helping us with some logging!

CADORS Number: 2007O2179 Reporting Region: Ontario

Occurrence Information
Occurrence Type: Accident Occurrence Date: 2007/10/04
Occurrence Time: 1148 Z Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYTR Aerodrome Name: Trenton
Occurrence Location: Trenton (CYTR) Province: Ontario
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: Local media AOR Number:
TSB Class Of Investigation: 3 TSB Occurrence No.: A07O0273
Event Information
Collision with object
Aircraft Information
Flight #:
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: UKRAINE
Make: ILYUSHIN Model: IL76
Year Built: Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: Engine Model:
Engine Type: Turbo jet Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Approach Damage: Substantial
Owner: Operator: UKRAINIAN CARGO AIRWAYS (11633)
Operator Type: Commercial

Detail Information
User Name: Donaldson, John
Date: 2007/10/05
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: International Aviation
Narrative: The Ukrainian Cargo Airlines Ilyushin IL-76 aircraft was concluding an IFR flight from Keflavik International Airport (Iceland) (BIKF) to C.F.B. Trenton Airport (CYTR). The aircraft landed normally at 1148Z and shut down in a parking spot and before being re-started and repositioned to a different parking spot on the ramp. The flight crew did not mention anything. A post-landing runway inspection about a half hour later found an unusual amount of wood chips/bark on runway 24. As there had been only one aircraft movement that morning (due to low fog off the approach end of runway 24), the IL-76 aircraft was inspected and determined to have struck a tree/trees about a half mile short of the runway. There was little visible damage to the aircraft (smudges/scratches) but the landing gear (especially the right main landing gear) appeared to have taken the brunt of the in-flight collision. T.S.B. staff were advised and sent a team to C.F.B. Trenton to investigate. The aircraft's flight data recorder was removed for analysis and the aircraft has been grounded as a result. More information to follow.

User Name: Donaldson, John
Date: 2007/10/05
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: System Safety
Narrative: UPDATE Supplemental information received from T.S.B. [2007/10/05]: The T.S.B. advised that they will investigate this occurrence as a Class 3 Investigation. Transport Canada (Ontario Region) will appoint a Minister's Observer.


They hit some trees and they didn't even mention it to Trenton officials!?!?

Edit: From the local news media at Trenton:
http://www.trentonian.ca/webapp/sitepag ... assif=News

An Ilyushin IL-76 Candid air transport struck a tree at CFB Trenton Thursday. The incident is under investigation.

Photo: Caitlin den Boer photo

Federal probe underway after Ilyushin transport plane clips tree

Luke Hendry - Osprey News Network
Local News - Friday, October 05, 2007 Updated @ 8:45:33 AM

Another mishap involving a foreign cargo plane at CFB Trenton is the focus of a federal investigation, raising concerns about public safety.

Officials have confirmed an Ilyushin IL-76 Candid air transport struck a tree at the base Thursday morning, but were releasing few details pending the federal probe.

"One of the IL-76s made contact with a tree today," confirmed public affairs officer Capt. Nicole Meszaros.

"The Transportation Safety Board is investigating, and we will follow their recommendations if and when we get them," she said.

Late that afternoon, however, a base employee who spoke to Osprey News Network on condition of anonymity said staff there are concerned risky flying by foreign crews could result in disaster.

"If these bozos keep doing this, the next time they're going to take out houses," the man said. "It's just a matter of time before they crash, either in Belleville or Trenton.
"

It's the second time since May that a troubled landing attempt by an IL-76 has been investigated.

The large cargo planes are a regular sight at the base, where they are used to ferry materiel around the world while under contract to Canada's Department of National Defence.

Around midnight on the night of May 10, a Silk Way Airlines Il-76 based in Azerbaijan flying in heavy fog struck the base's eastern fence.

According to a preliminary Transport Canada report obtained by Osprey News Network, the turbojet aircraft "tore out approximately 150 feet of the airport perimeter fence," embedding some of the fence in its landing gear and causing "substantial damage" to the plane. The crew aborted the landing, instead touching down "uneventfully" in Ottawa.

The federal Transportation Safety Board, Transport Canada, and the Canadian Forces Directorate of Flight Safety (DFS) were notified, with the DFS leading the investigation.

No further details of that investigation were available Thursday.

The base worker said foreign crews under DND contract break Canadian flight laws frequently.

"There's something they're not taking care of, which is basically the Canadian flying rules," he said.

"Last time they took out the fence at the base. Last winter there were problems with freezing rain accumulating on the aircraft, and they were trying to take off with freezing rain on the aircraft," he said, adding that was also in violation of flight rules.

He said he lives on the approach path used by the planes as they fly into the base, and worries for the safety of residents in both cities.

"At one point you say, 'Well, next time they're going to hit my house.’”

He added his coworkers are also concerned, and fed up with what they say are cases of dangerous flying.

"We talked about this for the last hour, and we're all getting quite pissed off, because this is getting ridiculous," he said.

Meszaros, meanwhile, said little information could be released Thursday afternoon.

"It's all under investigation," she said.

"We take the safety of the community and the members of 8 Wing and the crew of the Ilyushin very seriously," Meszaros added.

A source told Osprey News Network the military no longer deals with that contractor, and noted Thursday's incident was unrelated.

"This is a different company," the source said, adding the plane was based in the Ukraine.

Further details from Transport Canada and the Transportation Safety Board could not be obtained by press time.

[CD]

Also posted yesterday:

Another cargo plane mishap at Trenton?