There's no reason why an airline can't work down here, it just requires the right type of a/c that's all.
CanJet had good loads domestically most of the time, the yields obviously weren't very good.
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So in your professional opinion he should move to a larger center to be an aviation entrepreneur! Do you know that one of the largest helicopter companies in the world was started on the east coast of Canada? CanJet is still around today and it sounds like things are going good. Let’s see how things work out for all the great people still there. The business plan today has little to do with being on the East Coast.
I do believe a domestic airline can work! YHZ-YYT, YHZ-YDF, YHZ-YYZ always had good loads.
But what about routes like YHZ-YQY??? Jazz charges a mint for that one hour flight! O.K maybe not with a 737, but is there somebody else who does it?? or the loads not so good??
[quote]the right type of a/c that's all. [\quote]
It's not really an aircraft issue. The lease rates on the 735 are very cheap. Although maintenance and fuel cos are higher, it is offset by the cheap cost of ownership.
With cheap lease rates, you would all of a sudden have a similar CASM as an A319.
[quote]largest helicopter companies in the world was started on the east coast of Canada[\quote]
Helicopter market is different. You can't compare them.
Most of the CRJ are made in Montreal.....yet it's no major market.
[quote]professional opinion he should move to a larger center to be an aviation entrepreneur![\quote]
Not at all! I.M.P is a nation wide company that calls the shots from YHZ...but basing an airline with 737s out of yhz is not easy!
Yes, the charters seem to be working...but that's that for C6.
Now it seems like C6 is on a contingency plan to salvage what is left from it's original flawed one.
But what about routes like YHZ-YQY??? Jazz charges a mint for that one hour flight! O.K maybe not with a 737, but is there somebody else who does it?? or the loads not so good??
[quote]the right type of a/c that's all. [\quote]
It's not really an aircraft issue. The lease rates on the 735 are very cheap. Although maintenance and fuel cos are higher, it is offset by the cheap cost of ownership.
With cheap lease rates, you would all of a sudden have a similar CASM as an A319.
[quote]largest helicopter companies in the world was started on the east coast of Canada[\quote]
Helicopter market is different. You can't compare them.
Most of the CRJ are made in Montreal.....yet it's no major market.
[quote]professional opinion he should move to a larger center to be an aviation entrepreneur![\quote]
Not at all! I.M.P is a nation wide company that calls the shots from YHZ...but basing an airline with 737s out of yhz is not easy!
Yes, the charters seem to be working...but that's that for C6.
Now it seems like C6 is on a contingency plan to salvage what is left from it's original flawed one.
Asking a pilot about what he thinks of Transport Canada, is like asking a fire hydrant what does he think about dogs.
Hi there. First post on this forum. I'm looking for information regarding CanJet flight attendants. A friend of mine has recently accepted an FA position with C6 out of YHZ. She will start training soon. As I've worked as an FA for another Canadian charter airline, I've tried to answer some of her questions to the best of my knowledge, but of course I know nothing about CanJet operations. Any feedback would be appreciated.
1. Pairings. As C6 operates a lot of charter flights out of YHZ, YQM, YFC, YQB, YUL and YYZ, I imagine that most of the work involves turnarounds to and from those cities to locations down south. I don't imagine that crews would ever have to overnight in Florida or the Carribean. Am I right to assume that?
2. As the charter season goes from Nov/Dec to May, is it reasonable to expect to be temporarily laid off in the spring? What kind of flying does C6 do in the summer months. She was told that they do ad-hoc charters for sports teams, for example, but is that enough to keep all planes flying through the summer months? Any idea?
3. Any expansion plans for C6 (besides the new 738s)?
Thank you!
nx757
1. Pairings. As C6 operates a lot of charter flights out of YHZ, YQM, YFC, YQB, YUL and YYZ, I imagine that most of the work involves turnarounds to and from those cities to locations down south. I don't imagine that crews would ever have to overnight in Florida or the Carribean. Am I right to assume that?
2. As the charter season goes from Nov/Dec to May, is it reasonable to expect to be temporarily laid off in the spring? What kind of flying does C6 do in the summer months. She was told that they do ad-hoc charters for sports teams, for example, but is that enough to keep all planes flying through the summer months? Any idea?
3. Any expansion plans for C6 (besides the new 738s)?
Thank you!
nx757
Hello nx757, I'll see if I can answer these questions for you.
"1. Pairings. As C6 operates a lot of charter flights out of YHZ, YQM, YFC, YQB, YUL and YYZ, I imagine that most of the work involves turnarounds to and from those cities to locations down south. I don't imagine that crews would ever have to overnight in Florida or the Carribean. Am I right to assume that?"
It's true. Overnights in warm southern destinations are very rare. The standard pairing has you overnighting in YYZ or another Canadian destination.
"2. As the charter season goes from Nov/Dec to May, is it reasonable to expect to be temporarily laid off in the spring? What kind of flying does C6 do in the summer months. She was told that they do ad-hoc charters for sports teams, for example, but is that enough to keep all planes flying through the summer months? Any idea?"
No, she would not expect to be laid off. There is still flying throughout the summer. The trips from YYZ and YUL to places like Orlando are year-round mostly due to families going to Disney and the like. Despite what the nay-sayers profess, there does seem to be sufficient work for most of the year. I would also advise you to take what some negative-thinkers write on this list with the proverbial "grain of salt". Our slowest time of year is actually September-October with most of us on reserve.
"3. Any expansion plans for C6 (besides the new 738s)?"
As far as we can tell, the press release says it all. Perhaps down the road, but not now. Expansion plans and/or shut-downs have usually been rather close-guarded secrets of management in the past.
I hope this helps. CanJet has a great bunch of folks, and I quite enjoy working there.
"1. Pairings. As C6 operates a lot of charter flights out of YHZ, YQM, YFC, YQB, YUL and YYZ, I imagine that most of the work involves turnarounds to and from those cities to locations down south. I don't imagine that crews would ever have to overnight in Florida or the Carribean. Am I right to assume that?"
It's true. Overnights in warm southern destinations are very rare. The standard pairing has you overnighting in YYZ or another Canadian destination.
"2. As the charter season goes from Nov/Dec to May, is it reasonable to expect to be temporarily laid off in the spring? What kind of flying does C6 do in the summer months. She was told that they do ad-hoc charters for sports teams, for example, but is that enough to keep all planes flying through the summer months? Any idea?"
No, she would not expect to be laid off. There is still flying throughout the summer. The trips from YYZ and YUL to places like Orlando are year-round mostly due to families going to Disney and the like. Despite what the nay-sayers profess, there does seem to be sufficient work for most of the year. I would also advise you to take what some negative-thinkers write on this list with the proverbial "grain of salt". Our slowest time of year is actually September-October with most of us on reserve.
"3. Any expansion plans for C6 (besides the new 738s)?"
As far as we can tell, the press release says it all. Perhaps down the road, but not now. Expansion plans and/or shut-downs have usually been rather close-guarded secrets of management in the past.
I hope this helps. CanJet has a great bunch of folks, and I quite enjoy working there.
Thanks Luscombe! I appreciate the input. I, too, think that CanJet would be a great place to work.
A few more questions...
1. Back to pairings. From what I see in the Transat Holidays, Sunquest and Nolitours brochures, C6 will be operating several charters out of YQB, YUL and YYZ. Would that, for example, involve deadheading (or ferrying) a few crews to those cities for them to operate a series of flights before returning to YHZ? If such is the case, how long would those pairings be? 3 to 5 days? And what is the minimum rest period between flights while on a pairing?
2. Summer flying. Good to hear that there is a lot of summer flying. Makes sense as a lot of Quebecois and Ontarians head down south even in the summer (they don't have our beaches! Ha!). Are there also more ad-hoc charters in the summer?
3. Does C6 still operate the 737-300? If so, how many seats does it have? The 737-500s have 118, right?
4. And, finally, what is the standard number of flight attendants on board C6's flights?
Thanks again!
nx757
A few more questions...
1. Back to pairings. From what I see in the Transat Holidays, Sunquest and Nolitours brochures, C6 will be operating several charters out of YQB, YUL and YYZ. Would that, for example, involve deadheading (or ferrying) a few crews to those cities for them to operate a series of flights before returning to YHZ? If such is the case, how long would those pairings be? 3 to 5 days? And what is the minimum rest period between flights while on a pairing?
2. Summer flying. Good to hear that there is a lot of summer flying. Makes sense as a lot of Quebecois and Ontarians head down south even in the summer (they don't have our beaches! Ha!). Are there also more ad-hoc charters in the summer?
3. Does C6 still operate the 737-300? If so, how many seats does it have? The 737-500s have 118, right?
4. And, finally, what is the standard number of flight attendants on board C6's flights?
Thanks again!
nx757
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People like living in YHZ maybe?
If you're a maritimer, you always want to stay here, many don't because of the lack of jobs, a few of us are lucky enough to live and work down here.
Don't tell anyone though we don't need any more upper Canadians moving here
I imagine for the CJA crews its the same reasoning, home family etc.
Not everyone wants to live in YUL/YYZ, in fact I'd move to YQX before I'd move to YYZ.
If you're a maritimer, you always want to stay here, many don't because of the lack of jobs, a few of us are lucky enough to live and work down here.
Don't tell anyone though we don't need any more upper Canadians moving here
I imagine for the CJA crews its the same reasoning, home family etc.
Not everyone wants to live in YUL/YYZ, in fact I'd move to YQX before I'd move to YYZ.
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THEICEMAN wrote:Of course! Home is Home!
But what about hriing new crews in YUL & YYZ? Instead of dead heading crew, which can cost$$
For the amount of work CanJet does out of YUL and YYZ, I doubt you'd find enough qualified crews to work for the little amount of time there would be available out of yz/ul, that and I'd imagine the pilots that are at C6 now enjoy their flying hours during the "on" season.
I also think you meant ferrying airplanes instead of dead-heading. If that's the case I imagine thats factored in C6's operating costs and charges.
Are they just ferrying? I thought they were doing both? keep spotting C6 735 parked in Yul sometimes for a week straight.
Isn't it just cheaper to dead head crew to YUL via AC instead of flying a 735 back & fourth?+
Isn't it just cheaper to dead head crew to YUL via AC instead of flying a 735 back & fourth?+
Asking a pilot about what he thinks of Transport Canada, is like asking a fire hydrant what does he think about dogs.
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Yes, let's hire Ontarians and Quebecois for an airline based in the Maritimes. That will help the morale of the people who want to remain Maritimers and have sacrificed to keep Canjet flying.THEICEMAN wrote:Of course! Home is Home!
But what about hriing new crews in YUL & YYZ? Instead of dead heading crew, which can cost$$
Really...you should eat more pancakes. Build up those brain cells.
Ok so let's not hire East Coast guys to fly for WestJet because it started in the West. Very VERY smart!!
Are there not any Quebecois and Ontarians who fly for C6 now in YHZ?
Better yet, let's not hire any West coast guys @ AC because it is based in the East....what kind of logic is that??
You like to
pancake flavor don't you?
Are there not any Quebecois and Ontarians who fly for C6 now in YHZ?
Better yet, let's not hire any West coast guys @ AC because it is based in the East....what kind of logic is that??
You like to
pancake flavor don't you?Asking a pilot about what he thinks of Transport Canada, is like asking a fire hydrant what does he think about dogs.
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AC corporate passes are normally used to deadhead crews to where they have to go. If something cheaper comes up like Tango fares or WestJet, they'll buy those and save the corporate passes for later. It's all built into the cost structure. Sometimes the pairing will start in YUL and end in YHZ, saving the cost of a ticket. I'm sure the bean counters got it figured out, otherwise this business plan wouldn't be going ahead.
ooooo, you guys are even lazier than me!
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I don't think you get it do you?THEICEMAN wrote:Ok so let's not hire East Coast guys to fly for WestJet because it started in the West. Very VERY smart!!
Are there not any Quebecois and Ontarians who fly for C6 now in YHZ?
Better yet, let's not hire any West coast guys @ AC because it is based in the East....what kind of logic is that??
You like to
CanJet has what, 5 planes now? Maybe 7? WestJet has over 70, and Air Canada has even more than that.
Do you even have a clue what kind of route network and frequency C6 has planned for this season? I doubt very much enough to justify a base in YUL or YYZ, especially since very few if any of its pilots want to live there.
When I worked the ramp, I did work for AC/WestJet/CanJet/JetsGo/Younametheairline... and honestly each airline's crews had their own distinct mentality, but CanJet amongst them all never lost that east coast easy going flavour, even during the last day of sched ops when many of them were losing their jobs, they were laughing, taking pictures, and still treating their passengers with amazing customer service.
Because of their size it seemed to me the crews knew each other much better, and I gotta say it's the only time I delivered a Norms pizza to the cockpit of a 737 on a 30 minute turn
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We did that? Wow.invertedattitude wrote: but CanJet amongst them all never lost that east coast easy going flavour, even during the last day of sched ops when many of them were losing their jobs, they were laughing, taking pictures, and still treating their passengers with amazing customer service.
If it ain't fried, it ain't chicken baby!
Sorry...I brought up WJ & C6 to respond to the Pancake guy who claims that C6 should only hire Atlantic Canadians..
Inverted, I agree with you there. It might not be worth it in the end.
But extra cost on top of Ferry/dead-heading (accommodations, per diems, etc...) can chew on profits.
Let's just say, Mr.X lives in YUL and gets a job with C6. Can he be allowed to live in Montreal...given that most the charters may possibly be out of YYZ-YUL?
Also, has this system of transiting affected flight crews? Or is it working o.k?
Inverted, I agree with you there. It might not be worth it in the end.
But extra cost on top of Ferry/dead-heading (accommodations, per diems, etc...) can chew on profits.
Let's just say, Mr.X lives in YUL and gets a job with C6. Can he be allowed to live in Montreal...given that most the charters may possibly be out of YYZ-YUL?
Also, has this system of transiting affected flight crews? Or is it working o.k?
Asking a pilot about what he thinks of Transport Canada, is like asking a fire hydrant what does he think about dogs.
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Are you paying attention at all? Of course it's working. Charter airlines deadhead their crews all over the world and remain very profitable. I remember alot of Thomas Cook crews on CanJet filghts out of Toronto to Halifax. This is not a new concept.THEICEMAN wrote:Sorry...I brought up WJ & C6 to respond to the Pancake guy who claims that C6 should only hire Atlantic Canadians..
Inverted, I agree with you there. It might not be worth it in the end.
But extra cost on top of Ferry/dead-heading (accommodations, per diems, etc...) can chew on profits.
Let's just say, Mr.X lives in YUL and gets a job with C6. Can he be allowed to live in Montreal...given that most the charters may possibly be out of YYZ-YUL?
Also, has this system of transiting affected flight crews? Or is it working o.k?
Bottom line.........CanJet is based out of YHZ.
ooooo, you guys are even lazier than me!
Yes, you're absolutely right. Deadheading is very common for charter airlines. Take Air Transat and Skyservice, for example. They both have winter charter programmes out of YHZ (and YYT) from Feb. to May, which means they have to deadhead crews from their bases in YYZ (and/or YUL in the case of TS). In can so happen that the crews deadhead on a ferry/positioning flight, but deadheads are very common. Same thing for their flights out of YXE and YQR, for example. CanJet is just the reverse. Their crews deadhead to YUL and YQB instead of the opposite.
Having worked as an FA for a Canadian charter airline with extensive operations in Europe, I can say that many flights required deadheads between European cities. It was a cheapers option than leaving a crew one whole week in Athens!
Having worked as an FA for a Canadian charter airline with extensive operations in Europe, I can say that many flights required deadheads between European cities. It was a cheapers option than leaving a crew one whole week in Athens!
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