Q400 stretch

C-GPFG · Post by **C-GPFG** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:42 am

Bombardier May Expand Q400 Turboprop to Vie With Jets
By Hugo Miller and Andrea Rothman

Oct. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Bombardier Inc., the world's third- largest planemaker, may add a larger version of its Q400 turboprop to compete with rivals' jets on commuter routes, an executive said.

The Montreal-based company is studying a model with 90 to 95 seats that ``would have commonality with the Q400,'' Philippe Poutissou, Bombardier's director of airline analysis, said today at an aviation conference in Cannes, France. The plane now carries a maximum of 78 passengers.

The Q400 is popular among regional airlines trying to pare costs on short-haul flights amid this year's 38 percent jump in the price of jet fuel. Poutissou said the larger Q400 also would cut carbon emissions by 7 percent on a per-seat basis.

A bigger Q400 may spur airlines to pick a turboprop over jets of similar capacity, creating a ``new market where there was never turboprop planes in the past,'' Poutissou said. Bombardier aims to introduce the model in 2011, he said.

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:34 am

If it's plausible...Y not?

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:41 am

is it plausible?

The Hammer · Post by **The Hammer** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:28 pm

Four1oh wrote:is it plausible?

Look at a 737-900 and then look at a 737-100 (44 ft longer) or even the -600. Quite a stretch. Or look at the DC-9-10 compared to MD-90 (48 feet longer)

Anything is possible

cyhu · Post by **cyhu** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:10 pm

I wanna see a picture of that... another CRJ 1000 kinda thing... stretch it until it can't operate then add tons of little stabs to keep it in the air, like a 1900D

Red Line · Post by **Red Line** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:17 pm

Just stretch 'er 'till she's ugly!

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:46 pm

I think it's a great idea! 90 seat turbo prop. Now if only they can get the cseries going, then Bombardier will be on track.

FL_CH · Post by **FL_CH** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:53 pm

Isn't C-series a total EMB 170/175/190 rip-off?

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:34 pm

Nope....it fits within the 110-145 seat market. Wings will have composite materials, advanced avionics, lower CASM, 3+2 seating arrangements, etc...

check out link below for more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_CSeries

Alex YCV · Post by **Alex YCV** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:39 pm

I hope they spend some time on the landing gear

rd1331 · Post by **rd1331** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:53 pm

We'll see what comes outta that landing gear issue. They found corrosive liquid on the gear. May not be a manufactured defect after all. Hmmm....no one else other than SAS has had a problem. Hmmm...

dashx · Post by **dashx** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:16 pm

No ikeas pop to my mind.

FL_CH · Post by **FL_CH** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:17 am

The C-Series looks like a resized B787....same cockpit windows, anyway!

There just has to be a rip-off somewhere in that airplane !

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:30 am

rd1331 wrote:We'll see what comes outta that landing gear issue. They found corrosive liquid on the gear. May not be a manufactured defect after all. Hmmm....no one else other than SAS has had a problem. Hmmm...

Incorrect!
-ANA had to do an emergency landing when it's front gear did not retract. I believe they had another incident also.
&
-Augsburg air (shuttle for Lufthansa) had a problem with it's nose gear in MUC.

Who cares if the Cseries is a rip-off. All I can tell you is that it will be a much better aircraft then the A318-319 & the Shitbrear 190s!

linecrew · Post by **linecrew** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:57 pm

The C series will be much like the new Sukhoi Superjet series which is being built with major subcontractors including Boeing Commercial Airplanes, Ilyushin, Yakovlev, and PowerJet. Maybe it will be too little too late once the Cseries finally gets built unless it can provide something other designers haven't.

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:35 pm

The Cseries is a bit bigger then the super jet... c110 will fit 110 seats & the c130 will fit 145 max.

I agree...Bombardier made a stupid mistake by delaying the Cseries! They need a change in management....Northwest is interested in the Cesries to replace their DC9s...
This stupid Crj1000 is more of what airlines do not want anymore.

I do not believe that the Suhkoi superjet will sell too much in Euro or North America. Don't think they arew willing to buy Russian aircraft?

linecrew · Post by **linecrew** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:59 am

THEICEMAN wrote: I do not believe that the Suhkoi superjet will sell too much in Euro or North America. Don't think they arew willing to buy Russian aircraft?

Perhaps but there are "western" customers already. According to this articleItaly and Hungary are buying in. Hungary will use it to replace the CRJ and Fokker 70.

http://airlineworld.wordpress.com/2007/ ... rn-orders/

http://airlineworld.wordpress.com/2007/ ... -revealed/

I think with the wise move of seeking assistance from the west in production and management, Sukhoi might emerge as a viable competitor and not just an underdog.

Stoptheworld · Post by **Stoptheworld** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:48 am

Stretch It?

I say, shrink the God Damn thing first. Put those engines on a 37 seat and 50 seat machine.

vanishing point · Post by **vanishing point** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:43 pm

There is some talk about making the 400 into a 50-55 seater (guess you'd call it the Q350). No market for 37-seaters when operating costs aren't much more than the 50.

Just ask Horizon, as they're getting out of the Q200's and getting more 400's.

Wish Jazz had their marketing director.

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:51 am

linecrew wrote:
THEICEMAN wrote: I do not believe that the Suhkoi superjet will sell too much in Euro or North America. Don't think they arew willing to buy Russian aircraft?

Perhaps but there are "western" customers already. According to this articleItaly and Hungary are buying in. Hungary will use it to replace the CRJ and Fokker 70.

http://airlineworld.wordpress.com/2007/ ... rn-orders/

http://airlineworld.wordpress.com/2007/ ... -revealed/

I think with the wise move of seeking assistance from the west in production and management, Sukhoi might emerge as a viable competitor and not just an underdog.

Oh ya...with the exception of itAlia Airlines who ordered only ten.

Besides, you cannot really compare the Cesries to the Superjet. The Cseries will have 110-145 pax. The super jets models only range within 65-98 PAX. They would compete with Embraer most likely.

Don't believe that many in the western countries will go after the Superjet, despite some helping hand from Boeing.
I highly doubt NW would buy superjets to replace their DC-9s?

Bombardier Vs Sukhoi is almost like saying Airbus vs Tupolev.....need I say more?

linecrew · Post by **linecrew** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:40 pm

THEICEMAN wrote: Bombardier Vs Sukhoi is almost like saying Airbus vs Tupolev.....need I say more?

Actually, es you do. Tupolev is a completely different company that never sought outside help as it was heavily subsidized by a formerly (and mostly still) communist government. Same thing for Illyushin.

True there will always be skepticism about all things Russian but look at the advanced technology going into the Sukhoi fighter designs that are making the West sit up and take note. Couple that engineering know-how with western engines, avionics and marketing savvy and there might be a strong product that is about to emerge in the commercial airline industry.

Agreed that since they are limited to fewer seats they might not contend the C-series for now but to brush the Superjet aside simply based on previous older Russian aircraft design by unrelated manufacturers is kind of off side. How about we wait and see once they start flying. I could be wrong, you could be right or vice versa. I for one having flown on many a Russian aircraft would love to see these guys finally step into the world market with a quality product and this might just be it.

Cheers.

EI-EIO · Post by **EI-EIO** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:43 pm

vanishing point - engine choice on a Q350 would be interesting, if a Q400 performance envelope is envisaged... smaller PW150 series or bigger PW120 series?

Canoehead · Post by **Canoehead** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:55 am

vanishing point wrote:There is some talk about making the 400 into a 50-55 seater (guess you'd call it the Q350). No market for 37-seaters when operating costs aren't much more than the 50.

Just ask Horizon, as they're getting out of the Q200's and getting more 400's.

Wish Jazz had their marketing director.

...Jazz doesn't have a marketing anything anymore...

flying4dollars · Post by **flying4dollars** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:56 pm

FL_CH wrote:The C-Series looks like a resized B787....same cockpit windows, anyway!

There just has to be a rip-off somewhere in that airplane !

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:50 pm

Latest is that Southwest shows some interest in the Cseries. They are looking for an aircraft with 7E7 "next generation tech" at the 140Pax level.
Although the Cseries will have a lithium aluminium hull, the gearbox engine design might give it that extra 15% edge?

Northwest also shows interest in the c110 to replace their DC9s..

Once the Cseries comes out, it will render the crap jet 190-195 obsolete.
Don't believe that U.S carriers will go for the Sukhoi jet....would they take risk on Russian aircraft?

If bombardier does this right...then they will be in good position!

Given Euro & U.S carriers go for it....then they may see 500+ orders which can make it profitable?
I see LH, NW, AA, DL & AC going for it..