What's so great about working at Jazz?

AZN 027 · Post by **AZN 027** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:31 pm

what's so great about working at Jazz anyways?

(besides setting you up nicely for a job at Westjet...)

Aunt Jemima · Post by **Aunt Jemima** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:35 pm

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=35559

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:00 pm

It's all about the HATS, drives the chics wild!!!!

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:42 pm

Great people (at least that was the case... before the mass exodus).

Obbie · Post by **Obbie** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:07 pm

You missing the HAT a little there KAG ????

petite · Post by **petite** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:11 pm

KAG wrote:It's all about the HATS, drives the chics wild!!!!

Bwhahahahaha

I'm waiting for the video "Hats gone WILD" to come out soon then, KAG

basler · Post by **basler** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:04 am

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:31 am

Honestly its the perks.

Schedule isn't bad even from day 1 of holding a block- really you get 15 days off a month, not bad in anyones books.

Having a strong Collective agreement.

The travell perks with AC/star allience are great.

Someone bringing you coffee, do your flight planning, groom your machine ( grooming isn't too bad if your doing it yourself

)

The abliltity to stand up in the cockpit, and walk back to a washroom to take a leak is nice.

At the end of the day, aside form flying you have really little else to do/worry about at most airline jobs. It's pretty brainless as an FO.

And as you mentioned, its a great spring board to where ever you want to work if you decide Jazz isn't the place for you.

Not missing the Hat, and sorry to disapoint ya Petit, but I decided to shelve the Hats gone wild...

Red1 · Post by **Red1** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:02 am

It's the best worst case scenario you could ever ask for

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:56 pm

From the big cheese at AC:

Four more courses are planned for the rest of the year, which will include 31 pilots from Jazz. Over, 70 new hires have been held at Jazz under LOU 18, and all of these will be coming to Air Canada over the next 12 months

.

...one of the perks!

Obbie · Post by **Obbie** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:07 pm

Not sure if I would call 70 out of over 600 interviewed much of a perk

More like a political dead end to your career.

Now if you are a female, visible minority flying at Jazz.....thats a whole different story

The Hammer · Post by **The Hammer** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:48 pm

Obbie wrote:Not sure if I would call 70 out of over 600 interviewed much of a perk

More like a political dead end to your career.

Now if you are a female, visible minority flying at Jazz.....thats a whole different story

.

Actually that would slow you down, doesn't matter how big your boobs are you still get your AC interview only when your number comes up. If your work somewhere else with those "qualifications" you would be hired sooner

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:08 am

Not to hurt anyone's feelings here but this forum is evidence of the frustration and bitterness of Jazz pilots who failed the interview or are a long way getting there. I'd like to see more Jazz pilots at AC too. But between the politics and the failures, it's just not working out. Anyway, those who have been hired at mailine, remember, Jazz helped you get there.

Dark Helmet · Post by **Dark Helmet** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:21 am

tonysoprano wrote:Not to hurt anyone's feelings here but this forum is evidence of the frustration and bitterness of Jazz pilots who failed the interview or are a long way getting there. I'd like to see more Jazz pilots at AC too. But between the politics and the failures, it's just not working out. Anyway, those who have been hired at mailine, remember, Jazz helped you get there.

Yeah and for those who did not, be it a PFO or not gotten a call....Jazz helped not get there also. Those that got on might have gotten in sooner at AC.

I don not want to open up another argument here about this. I agree, there are a lot of perks that comes with working at Jazz, but I (along with many others) would not consider the opportunity to fly for AC one of them, in the past maybe but not today. It is not fustration it is sheer fact.

P.S. I apologize for the oversized font. not sure why it is doing that

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:38 am

Dark Helmet.
I repect your views and decision but having never worked at AC mainline puts you at a disadvantage when it comes to knowing what it's really like or what it could have been like. I still believe the majority of young kids who want to be pilots still aim at flying heavy iron all over the world. Not just for the money but for the passion. You're not one of them but I think you're a minority. No it's not always frustration or bitterness, perhaps not from you and many others but there still are many who are.

Sage · Post by **Sage** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:47 am

Obbie wrote:Not sure if I would call 70 out of over 600 interviewed much of a perk

More like a political dead end to your career.

Now if you are a female, visible minority flying at Jazz.....thats a whole different story

Obbie, you are an idiot. There are plenty of minority pilots at Jazz and off the street that got the PFO letter too. Sounds like sour grapes. Get a clue...

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:10 pm

Yep, Jazz pilots have a disadvantage for going to AC. I know of several female and minorities from Jazz who were turned down by AC.

They don't want to hire you from Jazz no matter what creed/colour/race/gender you are! To them you are all equally worthless

Dark Helmet · Post by **Dark Helmet** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:04 pm

Tony.

I think you missed my point. I meant in a sense of going to AC as a Jazz perk, not career aspirarions.

Your argument is that of a prospect of employment with AC is a perk with Jazz. disagree. Here is why.

Say you have 2 pilots. Both with the same experience. One goes to Jazz, the other goes to say another carrier, Geogian, CMA, Calm Air, you pick.

The pilot that went to the other airline could potentially be at AC within 10 months to a year.

The Jazz pilot will have to wait for 1.5 year just ot get a call, then a few months to get the job offer, then another few months to get the course date. Finally after 2 years to be at AC. I can see why the bitterness and fustration in some, timing is big thing in a hiring spree.

In the end. Being a Jazz does not improve you chances of being at AC, I would say it is about the same, It may even delay it due to the political nature between our two companies.

As far as career aspirations goes. I agree, most want to fly the big iron. Myself included at one time. Today I kinda like the short haul, hand flying, uncontrolled airspace, etc. but just is just me. That is not so say that I will never fly the big iron.

prop2jet · Post by **prop2jet** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:56 pm

I still believe the majority of young kids who want to be pilots still aim at flying heavy iron all over the world. Not just for the money but for the passion.

Passion in aviation is what you make of it. For most the allure of the bigger plane is driven by Money and in more than a few EGO. It takes a certain level of maturity to realize that you can still do well in this industry and not fly the heavy metal.

fasteddie · Post by **fasteddie** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:04 am

A couple of things to add to the debate:

First, the guaranteed Jazz interview right now takes longer to get than an off the street interview. As interviewing slows down interviews will be harder come by and that guaranteed interview will be an excellent prospect.

Second, I just flew with a Capt who was telling me about an F/O hired in Oct 2005 on the Dash, and got PFO'd with the 'reapply in 6 months' letter. This guy didn't cry in his wheaties, he said "I'm gonna bug them until they change their mind and hire me". He did and he's on course now. How many people gave up after their first PFO?

Keep the debate going folks.........

rudder · Post by **rudder** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:12 am

fasteddie wrote:First, the guaranteed Jazz interview right now takes longer to get than an off the street interview. As interviewing slows down interviews will be harder come by and that guaranteed interview will be an excellent prospect.

Wow, a guaranteed interview! That and $1.25 will get you a coffee at Timmie's.

Now, if you were talking about a guaranteed job offer, that would be substantial.

spaz · Post by **spaz** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:42 am

Obbie · Post by **Obbie** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:04 pm

Yes Sage, I'm a idiot.

Because there are no hiring biases, or female quotas being used
at mainline.

It's all just our imagination

Must have just been a bad dream I had or something.

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:11 pm

K folks, I am a Jazz empolyee to start this off.

Question, how the hell can any of you be disappointed about the 2 year freeze from going to AC.

When you accepted the job here you ALL knew what was going on, you choose to come here anyway, deal with it.

The Hammer · Post by **The Hammer** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:39 pm

Who is complaining about the freeze?? I wouldn't care if I didn't start for 2 years but why do I have to wait 12-18 months longer just to get an interview than an equal OTS pilot. Please don't tell me that b4 u work at jazz you can possibly understand all the BS regarding Lou18. Ask 10 guys at Jazz to explain it all, u will get 10 different answers