is it against sops in starlink to cancel ifr? we always cancel if we have a flight thats waiting on us (provided we are vfr). we ended up sitting on the ground today for 18 minutes just waiting for starlink to land. even mont joli radio asked them if they had the field in sight.
if it is against starlink`s sops then i apologize for this rant.
what happened to airmanship?
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Re: what happened to airmanship?
VFR departure not an option for you?lyncher wrote:is it against sops in starlink to cancel ifr? we always cancel if we have a flight thats waiting on us (provided we are vfr). we ended up sitting on the ground today for 18 minutes just waiting for starlink to land. even mont joli radio asked them if they had the field in sight.
if it is against starlink`s sops then i apologize for this rant.
Still, if you're holding people up...cancel when you can.
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I'm curious to find out why the VFR dep wasn't approved. ATC has to inform FSS of a reason when they deny a VFR dep. The only times I've ever denied a VFR dep is because of the traffic levels being way too high, and I know I'm not going to be able to give a clearance and the wx is marginal. We'll often approve a VFR dep with an expect clearance of 80 miles north of the dep airport. More often then not they get a clearance by 20 miles out but still for Centre not to approve a VFR dep unless they are completely down the shitter is ridiculous.
Sometimes, an SOP may seem very restrictive.
It has been my experience that it is almost impossible to design SOP's, Air Regs, etc to cover every occassion.
So the first option is to design the SOP's with iron clad procedures cast in stone.
The second option is to leave some wiggle room so the PIC can use his/her descretion.
Unfortunatley sometimes, a pilots decision making can be flawed and the wiggle room can cause problems. So to solve the problem, SOP's become cast in stone.
Then there are pilots who only see black and white. Wiggle room is not an option.
Third option is that the crew's are jerks. Just like the cue jumpers at the grocery store checkout line-up or the idiot driver who cut you off.
A prime example, as happened to me, was an airline that cancelled to let me out, only to find that localized weather put the airport below VFR limits. Then I cancelled in marginal conditions, expecting the other pilot to vacate in the opposite direction but instead, he turned right into me. That is an idiot. After that, I cancel only when I can see the whites of their eyes if there is any doubt.
Severe clear, I will cancel but with haze or low scattered cloud, I will keep the idiot on the ground. This is the descretionary part. Once burned, twice shy.
It has been my experience that it is almost impossible to design SOP's, Air Regs, etc to cover every occassion.
So the first option is to design the SOP's with iron clad procedures cast in stone.
The second option is to leave some wiggle room so the PIC can use his/her descretion.
Unfortunatley sometimes, a pilots decision making can be flawed and the wiggle room can cause problems. So to solve the problem, SOP's become cast in stone.
Then there are pilots who only see black and white. Wiggle room is not an option.
Third option is that the crew's are jerks. Just like the cue jumpers at the grocery store checkout line-up or the idiot driver who cut you off.
A prime example, as happened to me, was an airline that cancelled to let me out, only to find that localized weather put the airport below VFR limits. Then I cancelled in marginal conditions, expecting the other pilot to vacate in the opposite direction but instead, he turned right into me. That is an idiot. After that, I cancel only when I can see the whites of their eyes if there is any doubt.
Severe clear, I will cancel but with haze or low scattered cloud, I will keep the idiot on the ground. This is the descretionary part. Once burned, twice shy.
The average pilot, despite the somewhat swaggering exterior, is very much capable of such feelings as love, affection, intimacy and caring.
These feelings just don't involve anyone else.
These feelings just don't involve anyone else.
we did, this is from yyy to yqb. starlink 404 was going into rimouski. the reason we were given for not getting the vfr dep. was just as dumb, we had an ifr going into rimouski, so then why cant we get vfr out the other side with a restriction? anyways, who cares, somebody probably told the guy about this or he read it because last night was the same situation but in worse conditions and he cancelled for us.wingspan wrote:Why didn't you fly VFR to Baie-Comeau?
