I have a client who is interested in maybe starting up a fractional ownership business in Canada using the new VLJ's.
What are your thoughts on using single engine VLJ's for a fractional ownership business?
Single engine or twin?
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Chuck Ellsworth
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Single engine or twin?
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
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Chuck Ellsworth
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xsbank, our personal feelings about single engine high perfomance aside I'm thinking of business executives having a reluctance to fly on one of these jets with only one engine.
And yet there are a few being built for the VLJ market.
And yet there are a few being built for the VLJ market.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
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The Hammer
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2 engines in Canada is the only smart thing (F-18 vs F-16)
We don't have airport's everywhere like down south.
PS I hate VLJ's, just what we need a C172 at FL330
A slow flying, even slower climbing a/c and a likely less experienced pilot, dragging his slow a$$ thru the airspace that the rest of us are trying to navigate for a paycheck. Yahoo!!!
The CRJ 100/200 is bad enuf at .70
We don't have airport's everywhere like down south.
PS I hate VLJ's, just what we need a C172 at FL330
A slow flying, even slower climbing a/c and a likely less experienced pilot, dragging his slow a$$ thru the airspace that the rest of us are trying to navigate for a paycheck. Yahoo!!!
The CRJ 100/200 is bad enuf at .70
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Chuck Ellsworth
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Yes of course if I were involved in supplying crews for executive flying I would look for the least experienced.A slow flying, even slower climbing a/c and a likely less experienced pilot, dragging his slow a$$ thru the airspace that the rest of us are trying to navigate for a paycheck. Yahoo!!!
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
Interesting question Cat.
What are the capabilities of the VLJ in terms of stage length vs. payload (ie pax).
I did near a rumor that with two crew and full fuel they cannot carry much. Would appreciate the facts from you.
As to the single vs. twin issue, there seem to be some successful compaies out there running single turbines so that may not be the issue some of our esteemed posters make it out to be. It is true that many of the larger companies require two engines, but that may not be the market you are after. The company I work for is a stock market listed company, and they have no issue with single engine turbines.
Good luck if they go ahead
What are the capabilities of the VLJ in terms of stage length vs. payload (ie pax).
I did near a rumor that with two crew and full fuel they cannot carry much. Would appreciate the facts from you.
As to the single vs. twin issue, there seem to be some successful compaies out there running single turbines so that may not be the issue some of our esteemed posters make it out to be. It is true that many of the larger companies require two engines, but that may not be the market you are after. The company I work for is a stock market listed company, and they have no issue with single engine turbines.
Good luck if they go ahead
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trey kule:
At this point in time I have not really looked at all the aircraft that are coming on line, the VLJ is a new concept and as far as I can see they really have not been around long enough to get a good comparison between the machines flying or being certified.
What prompted the question was reading the news releases and adds and I noted there are a few singles among them.
When I was first asked what I thought I told my client that I did not know enough about them to even comment.....
.....but the question has resurfaced and I guess I will now have to do a lot of research so I can decide if I would want to get involved in such a project.
All I wanted a couple of years ago was to do nothing but take life easy.....somehow it ain't going that way and I am now doing more than before I so called retired.
Anyhow by posting here I now have to bite the bullet and find out what these little buggers are capable of.
One thing I have learned to late in life is there sure is a lot of money out there waiting to be put to work.
At this point in time I have not really looked at all the aircraft that are coming on line, the VLJ is a new concept and as far as I can see they really have not been around long enough to get a good comparison between the machines flying or being certified.
What prompted the question was reading the news releases and adds and I noted there are a few singles among them.
When I was first asked what I thought I told my client that I did not know enough about them to even comment.....
.....but the question has resurfaced and I guess I will now have to do a lot of research so I can decide if I would want to get involved in such a project.
All I wanted a couple of years ago was to do nothing but take life easy.....somehow it ain't going that way and I am now doing more than before I so called retired.
Anyhow by posting here I now have to bite the bullet and find out what these little buggers are capable of.
One thing I have learned to late in life is there sure is a lot of money out there waiting to be put to work.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
from what i've seen at shows and read about the singles is that they don't have the best performance, (not better than a TBM or something) the twin engines (mustang, eclipse) seem to have the edge on speed range and payload, and aren't really any more expensive than the singles (piper, cirrus) my two cents
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Chuck Ellsworth
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The Honda Jet looks real interesting and it is flying, and the Embraer Phenom also looks interesting even though not available yet.
Having been involved in the purchase of Embraer products before and spent time in Brazil at their factory I am impressed with their products.
I'm sure there is a market and the guy I'm dealing with tells me he is confident the customers are out there to buy into the concept....
....hell I might even be interested in doing some flying in one just to keep from being bored.
Having been involved in the purchase of Embraer products before and spent time in Brazil at their factory I am impressed with their products.
I'm sure there is a market and the guy I'm dealing with tells me he is confident the customers are out there to buy into the concept....
....hell I might even be interested in doing some flying in one just to keep from being bored.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
I think a twin is the way to go. you friend will be targeting people with money - business types. The current status quo is twinns for turbo props, cant see it changing because the VLJ lacks a reduction gear box and prop.
IMHO anyway.
IMHO anyway.
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The requirement for NATO fighter pilots to keep currency (last i checked) was around 283hrs minimum.shimmydampner wrote:I thought F18 pilots in Canada only put in about 100 hours per year.The Hammer wrote:A slow flying, even slower climbing a/c and a likely less experienced pilot
How many hours does it take to make jokes about pilots who have signed a contract that literally allows the public (through the gov and mil chain of command) to put their lives in jeopardy to advance the will of the nation?
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