Afghanistan till 2011

[Floats]

Now will someone tell Jack layton to shut the hell up




This link has the full Manley report link on it
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... TopStories

Floats

[tailgunner]

When people begin to lose the power that they have enjoyed for so long they tend to get irrational. Eastern Canada is slowly succumbing to the new power of the west. Manufacturing is going to be the next to fall, the auto sector is in decline, and the taxes and debt out east ( read Ontario and Quebec) are rising steadily. The west is prospering. Provincial debts are being paid off rapidly, or are already gone. Saskatchewan is becoming an economic miracle, with people moving back to the province, house values have risin dramatically. Alberta and BC have agreed to honoe each other's trade certificates to ease employment crunches.
Migration in the country is westward, immigration is generally eastward ( read Toronto, and Montreal) . The economic hedgemon that was Ontario is faltering, and they don't lke it. Blame the west for Harper? get real. Ontario still controls the government. Add the seats up. Alberta, BC, and Sask. cannot vote in a government. Even with all of Manitoba, Nova Scotia etc..it is Ontario who always controls the vote. Expect to see Ontario fall further before it gets any better.

[Dust Devil]

When people begin to lose the power that they have enjoyed for so long they tend to get irrational. Eastern Canada is slowly succumbing to the new power of the west. Manufacturing is going to be the next to fall, the auto sector is in decline, and the taxes and debt out east ( read Ontario and Quebec) are rising steadily. The west is prospering. Provincial debts are being paid off rapidly, or are already gone. Saskatchewan is becoming an economic miracle, with people moving back to the province, house values have risin dramatically. Alberta and BC have agreed to honoe each other's trade certificates to ease employment crunches.
Migration in the country is westward, immigration is generally eastward ( read Toronto, and Montreal) . The economic hedgemon that was Ontario is faltering, and they don't lke it. Blame the west for Harper? get real. Ontario still controls the government. Add the seats up. Alberta, BC, and Sask. cannot vote in a government. Even with all of Manitoba, Nova Scotia etc..it is Ontario who always controls the vote. Expect to see Ontario fall further before it gets any better.

I think your looking for this thread buddy

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 49&t=38980

[taxiway_matthew]

Good on this report.
Cutting and running is not the approach to take, nor is it respectable in any account...Cut'n'runners from the army are trialed (use to be they were shot..the good ole' days)
How ignorant can one be to the problems this country poses for themself and for the world...cough*9/11*cough

I for one am proud to be a Canadian helping establish human rights and bringing a better way of life to those less fortunate...just ask the women and children of Afghanistan what they think about our presence there.

[2R]

Why do they not use the drug growers for sniper practice ???
It will cut the opium grown and cut taliban funds when poison growers are to scared to go into the fields to grow drugs to fund the people killing nato troops .
If a guy is standing in the middle of an opium plantation .I think that would make him a legit target .After all a few dead bodies rotten in the fields would be better than the chemical application of herbicides that may poison the ground for generations.Might even shorten the war .
Make the fields a nogo area for the drug growers and the taliban will be starved out of existence.

[Rockie]

Because not everything can be fixed by Rambo tactics.

[Dex]

So far, just the military engagement in Afghanistan has cost each Canadian household $517.00 . Thats 6.1 billion dollars divided by 11.6 million households. 7 years later and still no self determination for the Afghan people? We still haven't secured the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan; should have been our *first* priority during the invasion!!! If this costs my household any more money I want the pro war citizens to pay my share of the burden. Any volunteers?

[Sheila]

Migration in the country is westward, immigration is generally eastward ( read Toronto, and Montreal) . The economic hedgemon that was Ontario is faltering, and they don't lke it. Blame the west for Harper? get real. Ontario still controls the government. Add the seats up. Alberta, BC, and Sask. cannot vote in a government. Even with all of Manitoba, Nova Scotia etc..it is Ontario who always controls the vote. Expect to see Ontario fall further before it gets any better.

This is bullshit. I will blame Harper if there is anymore losses anywhere in Canada.

It's wrong if the government doesn't take action to help Canadian companies. The government should do something to stabilize the economy.
What the heck is the Bank of Canada for if they can't help Canadian companies in the bloody east or west?

[Rockie]

The primary goal was not to free the Afghan people from tyranny and oppression. The goal was to run out the Taliban which in turn denied Al Qaida the protection and resources of an entire country to train in and operate from. In that NATO remains successful. Leave now and the Taliban ride their horses and Toyota trucks back into town and pick up where they left off along with their extremist brethren. When the Afghans are willing and able to keep out the Taliban on their own, which could be many years from now, then we can safely leave. Until then it's worth staying because the bad guys are patiently waiting for us to forget why we're there.

[2R]

Hey the new rambo is out on the 25th .More styrene stylonne battling the bad guys
The Chinese tried the soft approach with the opium traders .It did not work.
After they made possesion of opium in any amount a capital summary offence.They started to win the war on the opium addictions of the Chinese people.Never truly eradicating the menace of the opium trade it sure slowed it down .To the point that they were able to recover and become prosperous again.It is the only drug war that has ever been won by force.
Fighting a civil war cannot be done by civil means .
Asking nicely has not worked .Time to send the worst of the worst .Or perhaps Nato should ask to the Chinese to take over Afghanistan until the Afghan people are ready and able to govern themselves .
or we could just surrender After all, losing a war is the quickest way of ending it

[Mr. North]

I understand the consequences surrounding the immediate withdrawal of our troops yet I beg to ask if Canada has bled enough? What about our other so-called NATO allies? Aside from the U.S., Brits, and Dutch the remainder of our NATO allies hardly care about our blood, sweat, and tears. Their non-combat roles (which is essentially making coffee and cleaning latrines) alone are almost too much for most EU states to handle.

It's either time to share the burden and broaden the responsibility between NATO members and intensify this campaign or pull out. Does anyone think the latter will happen?? Hardly! The writing is on the wall people, the mission will fail (but be declared a success) and NATO will cease to be relevant (if it isn't already). Remember, the Taliban have done this before by beating off a Soviet invasion that lasted over 10 years at a cost of +14,000 Russian KIA. Talk about tenacity! Talk about patience! So how can a haphazard, human-rights conscious, limited force alliance with low public support hope to succeed without serious commitment by all those involved?

Whats the harm in cutting and running now and save ourselves the grief? We'll no doubt be doing it within a few years...

[ScudRunner]

Remember, the Taliban have done this before by beating off a Soviet invasion that lasted over 10 years at a cost of +14,000 Russian KIA. Talk about tenacity! Talk about patience!

It was not the Taliban that did in the Soviets. It was the Mujahaden, funded and supplied and supported by a super power.

[tailgunner]

Tailgunner grabs his hat in hand, thanks everyone for letting him into the party then walks out to his western turnip truck.......Dammit, I got the wrong thread again.

[Floats]

Did anyone see the news conference yesterday morning? (unfortunitly, here in Toronto the leafs were the newsmakers of the day)

For a brief moment, I forgot that Manley was part of the deplorable cretin regime. He spoke bluntly, with the freedom of not being handcuffed by a party or leader. They make it very clear, we need NATO to step up and help us out, and if not then we get out.

I also found it ironic, that one of their major points was new helicopters.

But I think the point that needs to get across to Canadians, if not now? for a UN sanctioned, Nato led. Ahghan govt supported mission in an area of the country that we choose. The Afghan people actually want us there to help. Then when? When will Canada as a leading nation step up and help the world.


Floats

[2R]

They will not last until 2011 unless we bring in conscription .Even if Russia allows the Ukraine to join Nato and they supply the required troops to this mess.Ukrainians have less victories than the French and are almost as bad as the modern Italians for running away from an enemy .If they sent they armies the Afghans would destroy it just like they did the last Soviet trained batch of boy scouts.
When you play for a tie you are not playing to win .
Most teams that play for a draw usually get defeated .

[mellow_pilot]

Asking the Ukrainians to go back to that particular country after the last mis-adventure there? Really didn't think that one through, huh? I think that might turn the whole bloody country against NATO.

[Old fella]

"They will not last until 2011 unless we bring in conscription "


Hey, Hey LBJ, how many kids you kill today!!!!!!!
oops, sorry wrong war. I am going back too far in my hay days, that was 40 yrs ago. Those were interesting times, I even remember "The Summer of Love" 1967. The music was real and even better.............