BA 777 shortfield landing at Heathrow

[YCL Boy]

From the AAIB:

The Initial report:
http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/latest_news/ ... report.cfm


Initial indications from the interviews and Flight Recorder analyses show the flight and approach to have progressed normally until the aircraft was established on late finals for Runway 27L. At approximately 600 ft and 2 miles from touch down, the Autothrottle demanded an increase in thrust from the two engines but the engines did not respond. Following further demands for increased thrust from the Autothrottle, and subsequently the flight crew moving the throttle levers, the engines similarly failed to respond. The aircraft speed reduced and the aircraft descended onto the grass short of the paved runway surface.

[pilotbzh]

I remember an airbus pilot making a low pass that ended up in the trees and claimed that the thrust lever didn't respond.....maybe he was right???? what if there is a potential issue on the 2 channel electronic thrust system for flight by wire airplane?

EH just a pilot....

[Jerricho]

Well you're insulting the pilots for running out of fuel, when it's already been stated the aircraft had plenty of fuel on-board

Wow. Are you new to the internets?

You're a bad man Bobby

Good on them for putting it down where they did. Thing is, if they hadn't made the field and put it down in the Hatton Cross area, nobody would have really known the difference. Except someone may have stolen the tires off the undercarriage.

[Ref Plus 10]

I got it solved...they were running Windows...all could have been avoided with a Mac...

[bob sacamano]

Well you're insulting the pilots for running out of fuel, when it's already been stated the aircraft had plenty of fuel on-board.

We don't 100% know what happened, but initial reports are suggesting some sort mecanical malfunction, something at 500-600 feet on approach might be somewhat difficult to troubleshoot.

Dude, please don't take everything too seriously.

[2R]

What no one suggusted cell phones or computer hard drive radio wave interfering with the fly by wire system yet ???
What about an EMP test or outside jamming caused by any new radio antenaes (Taxi companies are famous for sticking unapproved antenneas up without paperwork) ???

The AAIB will get to the truth .


Nice to see Pilots being thanked for doing a good job

[Unusual Attitude]

A few more observations/speculations here:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... dence.html

[sky's the limit]

I'm going with Bin Laden...

He was trying to remotely take over control of the a/c from a cave along the Afgan/Pakistan border - with an Iphone....

Lets see your Blackberry do that...


stl

[RB-211]

I'm calling the 500 hour F/O got behind the power curve and hammered the throttles to save it and its 100% pilot error, or the an Al Quada sect from Stoney Rapids unleashed 1000 Canada goose suicied birds into the engine.

FO was a 10,000 hour guy who would have had his first gig (250 hours) on a 737 as a guess. Not all pilots in Europe have 500 hours.


Looks like a bit of luck and a fine example of quality airmanship. Dead sticking any airplane from 500 feet is impressive, but in this case I think he takes the cake.

[ei ei owe]

Keystone......out of fuel..... I LOVE IT!!!!!! That just doesn't get old!!!!!

Bob, that made my day.

[l_reason]

[Cannonballer]

Seems they ran out of fuel, what else would cause both engs to pack up..

Now i dont have a whole lot of knowledge about the "big iron" but dont the engines run off of separate fuel tanks. So the chances that both engines would run out of fuel at the exact same time seems pretty remote. Also i have never come accross 2 engines (turbines, recipricating or radial) that burn the exact same amount of fuel ... or oil for that matter.

Even in small multi engine planes operating off the same tank one engine will always quite first..... My 2 cents.

[Cannonballer]

Flight deck prob looked like this on short final.

[invertedattitude]

Well you're insulting the pilots for running out of fuel, when it's already been stated the aircraft had plenty of fuel on-board.

We don't 100% know what happened, but initial reports are suggesting some sort mecanical malfunction, something at 500-600 feet on approach might be somewhat difficult to troubleshoot.

Dude, please don't take everything too seriously.

Alright, long as you can agree that there are un-educated people trolling these forums. Those same people will take your percepted educated posting and form their own opinion of this pilot, when none of us know exactly who if anyone was at fault.

Just saying, you may want to hold off from bashing someone in jest or not, might be you on the recieving end one day.

[nacho]

Patrick,
I spent all day in Santa Cruz waiting for weather, having a bad day since I wanted so bad to be able to get to final destination today.

That picture was PRICELESS!!

Still laughing.........

N

Going to show it around to some Bolivian pilots tomorrow at the airport.

[F,D and H]

Seems you know Jack Sh!t about airplanes, mister. Sure it's possible, but if you thought about it, but there's plenty of other reasons that are far more likely than that. If the pilot knew he was short on fuel he'd have declared a fuel emergency plenty earlier and landed far sooner.

Yup just like Avianca

[wxnut]

A spokesman for London's Metropolitan Police said there was nothing to suggest the incident was terror-related.

lol... im pretty sure a terror related incident would not involve 0 fatalities. Not sure why that's even a consideration.

If at the end of the day no one died, thank the two up front. In this case, I'll do the same. Gj Guys !

[WhatHeSaid]

http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/latest_news/ ... update.cfm


Initial Report Update 23 January 2008

Since the issue of the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) 1st Preliminary Report on Friday 18 January 2008 at 1700 hrs, work has continued on all fronts to identify why neither engine responded to throttle lever inputs during the final approach. The 150 tonne aircraft was moved from the threshold of Runway 27L to an airport apron on Sunday evening, allowing the airport to return to normal operations.

The AAIB, sensitive to the needs of the industry including Boeing, Rolls Royce, British Airways and other Boeing 777 operators and crews, is issuing this update to provide such further factual information as is now available.

As previously reported, whilst the aircraft was stabilised on an ILS approach with the autopilot engaged, the autothrust system commanded an increase in thrust from both engines. The engines both initially responded but after about 3 seconds the thrust of the right engine reduced. Some eight seconds later the thrust reduced on the left engine to a similar level. The engines did not shut down and both engines continued to produce thrust at an engine speed above flight idle, but less than the commanded thrust.

Recorded data indicates that an adequate fuel quantity was on board the aircraft and that the autothrottle and engine control commands were performing as expected prior to, and after, the reduction in thrust.

All possible scenarios that could explain the thrust reduction and continued lack of response of the engines to throttle lever inputs are being examined, in close cooperation with Boeing, Rolls Royce and British Airways. This work includes a detailed analysis and examination of the complete fuel flow path from the aircraft tanks to the engine fuel nozzles.

Further factual information will be released as and when available.