Night Hours for ATPL

Giver eh! · Post by **Giver eh!** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:49 pm

Does anyone know if the 100 Night hrs has to be PIC?

Always Moving · Post by **Always Moving** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:02 am

I have like 500h at nigh, I love it, although in the begining did not understand all the danger of it.

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 3:31 am

Giver eh! wrote:Does anyone know if the 100 Night hrs has to be PIC?

Yes, I know!!! Of course I know-- I got my ATP years ago. And so will you too, my friend.

You can find it in PART IV - PERSONNEL LICENSING AND TRAINING
STANDARD 421 - FLIGHT CREW PERMITS, LICENCES AND RATINGS (as well as all your personnel licensing questions). In your case, 421.34(4)(b)

The link to the Personnel Licensing and Training Standards are here:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/Regse ... ard421.htm

The rest of the CARs are here:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/RegSe ... s/menu.htm

securitas · Post by **securitas** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:56 am

It doesn't have to be all pic, as of last year when i got mine, and according to the regulation.

4) Experience

An applicant shall have met the training requirements for the issue of a Commercial Pilot Licence - Aeroplane that is not restricted to daylight flying and completed a minimum of 1500 hours total flight time of which a minimum of 900 hours shall have been completed in aeroplanes. The total flight time shall include a minimum of:
(amended 2000/09/01; previous version)

(a) 250 hours pilot-in-command flight time in aeroplanes which shall include where applicable, a maximum of 100 hours pilot-in-command under supervision flight time completed in accordance with Section 421.11. The pilot-in-command and/or pilot-in-command under supervision flight time shall include a minimum of 100 hours cross-country flight time of which a minimum of 25 hours shall have been by night;

(b) 100 hours night flight time as pilot-in-command or as co-pilot of which a minimum of 30 hours shall have been acquired in aeroplanes;

(c) 200 hours cross-country flight time as co-pilot in an aeroplane required to be operated with a co-pilot or, 100 additional hours cross-country flight time as pilot-in-command which may have been part of the 250 hours pilot-in-command flight time specified above; and

(d) 75 hours instrument flight time of which a maximum of 25 hours may have been acquired in approved instrument ground trainers and a maximum of 35 hours may have been acquired in helicopters. Instrument ground time shall not be applied toward the total 1500 hour flight time requirement.

As you can see, the only night pic requirement is the 25 hrs x/c

Giver eh! · Post by **Giver eh!** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:44 am

thanks guys

Holy Magenta · Post by **Holy Magenta** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:27 am

Night flying rules, especially on a full moon night. Having said that, a majority of mine has been night VFR. So im not sure I'll have to same opinion after a winter of night IFR. I could see night flying with icing being a little more stressful... or I guess you just dont turn the light on

LT · Post by LT » Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:40 am

Tonight we're having an eclipse, do the hours you log change during eclipses?

Thanks..

confuzed · Post by **confuzed** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:46 am

When I applied for my ATPL in Saskatoon a couple of years ago, I was told according to CARS it all has to be PIC. The lady was quite adament (sp?) about it as well. When I asked some people on here, I got a general consensus that it depends which office you go to. Some got theirs signed off with 100 total night, while others like myself required it to be all PIC.

golden hawk · Post by **golden hawk** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:19 am

Good advice for CPL time builders - log as many night xc hours as you can now, so you don't have this issue down the road.

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:44 pm

LT wrote:Tonight we're having an eclipse, do the hours you log change during eclipses?

Thanks..

You were actually busy logging time during the eclipse?!?!?

Get a life dude, I actually layed down my logbook for a few minutes out of my busy schedule and was busy howling at the moon.

groundtoflightdeck · Post by **groundtoflightdeck** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:25 pm

I've heard the licsencing person in Saskatoon is really tough to get the logbook past. At the last company I worked for people would send thier applications to YWG or YYC to avoid her. But I think she may be abnormally hard on liscence candidates.

Low&Slow · Post by **Low&Slow** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:44 pm

Anyone know how many ultra light pic hours, if any, can be credited towards the ATPL? I thought I heard only a certain amt can be credited but I can`t find it in the CARS.

Thanks

ahramin · Post by **ahramin** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:26 pm

Low and Slow wrote:Anyone know how many ultra light pic hours, if any, can be credited towards the ATPL? I thought I heard only a certain amt can be credited but I can`t find it in the CARS.

I don't know about the low part but you sure have the slow part down

http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/REGSERV/CA ... htm#421_34

(6) Credits - Experience

(a) Glider

Where an applicant holds a Pilot Licence - Glider, a maximum of 50 hours flight time in gliders shall be credited towards the total 1500 hour flight time requirement.

(b) Three Axis Ultra-light Aeroplanes

Where an applicant holds a Pilot Permit - Ultra-light Aeroplane, a maximum of 50 hours flight time in three axis ultra-light aeroplanes shall be credited towards the total 1500 hour flight time requirement.

(7) Credits for DND Applicants

Active and retired Canadian Forces personnel who hold a Canadian Forces Instrument Rating (unrestricted) in a multi-engined aeroplane (Group 1) shall be deemed to have met the skill requirement.

Low&Slow · Post by **Low&Slow** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:36 pm

Thanks Abraham

sakism · Post by **sakism** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:29 am

Don't see how they could insist the time be PIC. Unlike most of the CARs, this issue is very clearly spelled out.

It can't be dual, though.

Has to be PIC or SIC.

Of course they probably don't think that it should count. After all, towards the 1500 hrs needed for the ATPL I am farther ahead to buzz around in a C150 than to fly right seat in a King Air.

Great logic, boyos.

ahramin · Post by **ahramin** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:34 am

sakism wrote:Don't see how they could insist the time be PIC

Easy, since most tc clerks do not read any better than most pilots. The trick is to know the rules and where to find them before you submit your stuff. When i wrote my commercial i had an invigilator try to tell me that i could not use my calculator because it had a memory. Sixty seconds later i had my yellow highlighter out and was marking their office copy of the CARs

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co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:06 pm

(b) Three Axis Ultra-light Aeroplanes

Where an applicant holds a Pilot Permit - Ultra-light Aeroplane, a maximum of 50 hours flight time in three axis ultra-light aeroplanes shall be credited towards the total 1500 hour flight time requirement.

With respect to the above quote, remember that you don't need an UL permit to fly an UL if you hold a PPL or higher, but you do need the permit to log the hours towards the ATPL. TC phuked me out of my 50 hours that way. (here to help my ass...)

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