Hey, Hey LBJ How many kids did you kill today

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Hey, Hey LBJ How many kids did you kill today

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Well.......... well it's been 40 years and I remember it well.

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I'm not sure, but probably less than the swarms of terrorists out there on Canadian soil.

Who can I lobby to take away more of my legal rights and freedoms? That's what I'd like to know. I have WAAAY too many.

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LBJ was one of the greatest Ass Holes the world has ever known. I still say, he killed JFK. Didn't his skanky wife have something to do with Bell helicopters? Like, she owned it? Huge personal profit from Viet Nam.
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Doc........LBJ had nothing at all to do with commencing the Vietnam War. He and his wife did in fact own shares (far from controlling shares either) in Bell Textron International, Ft. Worth, TX.

The US military have their own budgets determined by Congress and THEY get to choose WHAT materiale they buy and WHERE they buy it. In Canada, the military make NO major purchases and Parliament controls everything regarding large contracts and large purchases. If they are lucky, the CAF leadership MIGHT be asked if they concur with the choices.

Bell Helicopters were being made under contract for the US Army when LBJ was still just a Senator from Texas and JFK was just a Senator from MA. Bell got to that point because they demonstrated they had the best product in 'Acceptance Trials'.

LBJ inherited JFK's Cabinet and war and in doing so he inherited one Robert MacNamara. That says it all right there. Biggest asshole? The gentleman who followed LBJ into the White house claims that title 'in spades' and he even set a new record for being the biggest liar also.....and that's something when you're surrounded by liars.

I have no knowledge of who killed JFK, BUT I do know that about the only person or organization that hasn't been blamed for it is Santa Clause.
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LH wrote: I have no knowledge of who killed JFK, BUT I do know that about the only person or organization that hasn't been blamed for it is Santa Clause.
I suspected that son of a bitch the whole time!

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I want that bastard to stand trial but as I understand he is working for Blackwater USA in Fallujah so I dont think well get him to hang any time soon.
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Doc........LBJ had nothing at all to do with commencing the Vietnam War.


Well..... not quite. It was on his watch the infamous and now discredited Gulf of Tonkin incident happening(1964) which led to the Gulf of Tonkin resolution passed by the Congress that enabled Johnson to have the authority to provide assistance to any southeast Asian country considered subject to "communist" agression. Th rest is history............. and 58,000 lives later(my age and generation)

The Marines hit Da Nang in 1965 which started the big ball rolling , however it was interesting to note American involvment(assistance to French and after 1954 providing technical "advisors to South Vitenam under Diem) happened way before that time as described in the "Pentagon Papers" released in 1971 by Daniel Ellsberg. Actually Robert S MacN commissioned this study prior to leaving his position of SEC. of Defense 1967. Many do not realize the "watergate " issue flowed from release of the Pentagon Papers due to the break in at Ellesberg's Doctor's office by the"plumbers".

Enough of this history but there is starting to be parallels on this Afgahn. caper but that is for another topic and post(which I shan't start).

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Doc ------I flew Hueys for two tours (26 months) in 'Nam so I'm reasonalbly familiar with the Vietnam War. I didn't READ about it.....I LIVED it. It also qualifies me to state that it was "my Age and generation".

1) LBJ didn't commence the Vietnam War and he didn't. He was a lowly Senator from the State of Texas when it started. The Marines landed at a place later known as Da Nang because Viet Nam was a Marime Corps war. To hear folks, you'd think that they were the only ones who landed at Da Nang in March of 1965. Never hear a mention about an Army Division of 16,000 landing there at the same time though. I know because I was one of them.

2) The SEATO Treaty was signed and put in place for the same reason that the NATO Treaty was put in place. The US and other SEATO member countires were OBLIGATED to assist any other member country asking for any aide and assistance if they asked. The US AND other SE Asian countries entered South Vietnam after a request by their government. All the Gulf of Tonkin did was enable LBJ to get the approval of Congress to okay a higher budget, equipment and personnel than they had allowed him before. All the other member countries of SEATO did the exact same thing and the majority sent more personnel into Vietnam to aide.

3)American assistance to the French in Vietnam was very limited and fionally stopped altogether. It is because of that cessation of assistance that the French were defeated at Dien Bien Phu.

4) The advisors that were sent by the US Army were Green Beret Sepecialists. They went to aide the hill people who had worked and fought with them against the Japanese during WW2 and were very pro-western. Every advisor was a specialist in something that the Montengards asked for help with. They were increasingly under attack by the VC and NVA and needed help in many areas not necessarily yo do with fighting and weapons.....although they got that instruction and supply also.

5) Robert S. MacNamara was a lying, pig-headed, know-it-all and didn't listen even to his Generals when they told him they should be pulled-out in '64 and again later on. I could fill up your screen with everything MacNamara screwed up, so I won't filthy your screen with sh*t about that ignorant, Ivy League asshole.

6) Everything else you mention has to do with the actions of the gang that followed LBJ......and their infamous leader. Now if you would care to discuss a REAL asshole sometime, then Richard Milhous Nixon qualifies 'in spades'.

I don't normally go on at length on this subject because it's ancient history and few care anymore. That's fine with me, but every once and a while I see someone trying to re-write history and I have to stand-up and say "Whoa". So sorry if I babbled on.
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LH,

Don't applolgize for babbling... I say "babble on".

When I was a lowly Officer Cadet at RMC, the Vietnam war was not quite history then. We studied all about Eisenhower's, Kennedy's and LBJ's administrations and the decisions they made. I couldn't believe how some seemly intelligent individuals could have made such disasterous blunders. I came to the same conclusion about MacNamara. His greatest fault (as I could deduce) was the fact that he thought anything that came out of his brain was flawless and much more worthy of attention than the prattlings of some mere General. Afterall, he had an Ivy League education whereas these Generals just wasted their lives away with minor things like winning WW2. I suppose you could say he was perhaps a wee bit conceited.

Although I wasn't there, I did read about it. One of the best books on the subject was "The Best and the Brightest" by David Halberstam. I gave my copy of the book away a long time ago, but I do remember it being a good synopsis of how some of the brightest minds the American academic world had produced came up with the Bay of Pigs and the even more popular sequel... Vietnam.
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I don't recall saying LBJ started the Viet Nam war? However, by all means, "babble on..." He certainly had nothing to do with stopping it either.
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Luscombe ------I refuse to dignify any further comments by myself concerning Robert MacNamara. If you can find any other American Service person of the era that has anything decent to say concerning the asshole, then take note of the person's name. Take note because it'll be ages 'til another one like that crosses your path again.

If you enjoy books concerning the era, then how about books to do with a Canadian.......one Chester A, Ronning. You can get an intro to this special Canadian by punching in his name on the internet. After that, you'll find a host of books on this man. He and his Saigon Embassy Staff had 'carte blanche' from Chou En Lai to roam about North Vietnam and China because of Ronning's close friendship with Chou. What wasn't found out until years later was that on these excursions into North Vietnam, they also were identfying targets for the USAF. They did such a good job that after Canada closed the Embassy the USAF and their Intelligence arm were handicapped for similar sightings and knowledge for quite some time. There isn't a Canadian person graduating High School that should not have a full and complete knowledge of Chester A. Ronning.......a real great Canadian.
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You ever wonder why the Republicans get stuck with the religious right crazies and the redneck bigots?? Before LBJ all the southern baptists were DEMOCRATS. All the racist pigs in the south were also DEMOCRATS. When LBJ took up Kennedies civil rights legislation and rammed it thru congress it pissed off the bigots. When LBJ sent in the 101 airborne to integrate the schools in Arkansas it pissed em off even more. They haven't voted Dem since. LBJ was a great man, but like many he was flawed. Vietnam was unquestionably his flaw, but that war is over and the civil rights stuff he promoted lives on today. And at least LBJ had the sense to step down.
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Well sir, you had better go back and live in the southern US oncen again because the south is as Democrat as you can get. White folk vote both ways in the south for various reasons....some historic and some not. Fortunately or unfortunately, it's the Black vote that swings elections in the vast majority of the southern States...........and they've been voting Democrat since the beginning. So when you state that the south has swung over to the Republicans it ain't that simple. Also realize that the Religious Right also includes Blacks and once again, they ain't voting for any Republican. Problem in Canada is that if Canadians see a program about religion from the American south it'll will be a White church and a White preacher and they think that the White's have the majority of the population in the south and which ever way they vote is the way the south goes.......and that is no longer the truth.

LBJ inherited a mess that was passed down to him and that's the long and short of it....nothing more. Jesus Christ would have had a hard time figuring-out how to handle all of the political implications of that war at home and abroad. When he had had enough of it, he refused to run for Office again even though he was being pressured to by many people. Many forget how LBJ came into Office and he was left to try to make something work and listened to one Robert S. MacNamara much too much. LBJ was President, but if anyone wants to lay the blame for the length of the Vietnam war at anyone's feet, then the whole can of sh*t should be at the feet of MacNamara......not LBJ or any General.
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And so here we go,
40 some odd years down the road.......stupidity stands hand in hand the whole world round, and a shock of recognizition runs the whole circle through.
I don't think we would have these problems if the powers that be actually had to go out and fight. :roll:
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raoul duke........you mean that you haven't found out yet that as long as there have been wars, it's been old men who start them and then they send the young ones off to fight it for them. If not, WW2 for example, would have been fought by an old Englishman who was a 'closet alcoholic', an old wealthy American who was a wheelchair invalid, an old German house painter and sometime artist and an old Japanese guy who had never been outside of Japan in his whole life. It would have been a very short war and would have probably been over by lunchtime.

Next time you see or hear of some asshole who started a war being one of those who goes off to fight it, let me know will ya?
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