Kenora Air Service

[Kzanol]

Whenever I talk to people about applying to float operations, I seem to always hear that KAS has a bad reputation. However, I do not know why they have this reputation and the people telling me don't have any reasons for it either. Why does KAS have this bad reputation? What are the reasons?

[Rowdy]

Some say the ops. manager is difficult to deal with. I never had a problem. Had a lot of fun and was generally very well treated. The beavers I flew were all in good shape. What more could you ask for?

[buster79]

Rowdy. how long were you actually in kenora? going to stp for a couple weeks is totally diferent then putting up with that shit for a summer!

[Hornblower]

Some say the ops. manager is difficult to deal with. I never had a problem. Had a lot of fun and was generally very well treated. The beavers I flew were all in good shape. What more could you ask for?

Of course you think that your 2.5 litre ricer can run at 28 PSI boost all day with no problem, … how could you tell if an airplane is in good condition, … it’s still running???

[Hornblower]

Rowdy. how long were you actually in kenora? going to stp for a couple weeks is totally diferent then putting up with that @#$! for a summer!

Post one!!! Congratulations.

I guess Buster 69 was used already???

hahahahahahahahahaha

[Rowdy]

What the hell is a ricer??!?!?

Nothin but pure Mopar my friend. Two and a half liters of torque making terror! It's also been engineered and put together properly for that kind of high boost abuse thanks. If you're gonna take a shot at me and my background.. at least have some basis and know what you're talking about

But back on topic... I know my way in and around pretty much anything mechanical.. I didn't see any oversights.. and things were solid. As for dealing with a certain someone.. she truly and honestly treated me very very well... I was impressed.. but then again.. I did my job and made them money.. never complained and was always positive. Hell she bought me dinner and gave me a hug when my grandfather passed away. Not many employers I know of that would do that.

[Reality]

Rowdy,
You have also stated Bakers was a good outfit 2 and their machines were mechanically sound....... I know both companies maintenance practices very well.... no comment.

[Rowdy]

I didn't say they were good.. I said I had no problems with the person everyone was complaining about at bakers... BZH was in pretty damn good shape.. although.. I've now seen some pics and what not of some of the other machines.. and you're right.. they look pretty shoddy!! All I can comment on is what I've personally done and seen. There are always two sides to every story.

How do you know the maintenance pratices so well at both? I'm curious to hear what you've got to say. Or are you going to continue like everyone else on these forums and just sling shit without backing your "story" up.

[buster79]

hornblower: what is your point?

[Reality]

Rowdy, I am not slinging shit, nor do I have to tell you how I know, but I do and very well. I said no comment because I am not going to start a two page post on bashing any companies. I am just stating that you lost all credibility with myself the first time you commented on maintenance and good company practices with BNAS.... there I said it.

[buster79]

kazonl i would say the biggest problem with that company is lack of organization. the way the training and checkouts are done is total crap, paper work etc. who checked you out rowdy? fire away!

[tcraft]

Ah come on guys, don`t stop now

[Rowdy]

Reality.. without any background.. it's you that holds no credibility on a generally anonymous site. I was there.. I flew the machine.. I helped the mechanic button everything back up after a 100hr in yzf... Hell I was pretty much a one man show there.. However I have NO idea what the other machines were like and I've already stated that. If you wanna pm me so as not to slag anyone publicly.. by all means shoot me a message.. I'm interested to know. I'm not here for an argument.

As for Kenora.. the stem of any problem they have there is exactly that.. lack of organization and communication which can lead to some upsets on the dock.

[Reality]

Rowdy, I liked your posts alot better when you were just starting out in '05 when you didn't know everything about everything. 1000 or so hours T.T.??? jumpin from company to company doesn't make you the god you think you are.
Just buggin ya Rowdy, no need to get your hackles up.

[Mr. North]

There are plenty of pros and cons with KAS as with any other float operator. I know plenty of people left on bad terms, for what reason I can't say (although I'd like to hear some examples for once)! I can only comment from my own experience with them last summer and like Rowdy I had a great time!! I'm not going to waste my time by arguing with all the "haters" over whats good and what could be better. If any of you are thinking about working there, and want the straight shit from someone who worked there last year pm me.


Oh and I don't know about Rowdy but myself and a few others were checked out by Granny Duck who is by far the most experience pilot in all of NWO.

[floatman]

Rowdy, I liked your posts alot better when you were just starting out in '05 when you didn't know everything about everything. 1000 or so hours T.T.??? jumpin from company to company doesn't make you the god you think you are.

ditto

[buster79]

the "duck man" is not the cp! where was the cp? do they have one? tell me how the paper work was done. I think the topic is about "kenora" not their base in "red" or a couple week stint in island lake. mr north trust me i know, i've been there done that! i don't really know how they keep in bussiness from one year to another leagally and from a business point of it. she treats people like dirt, shitty pay, no time off, hell sometimes you even get to clean her house!! that is a load of b.s. rowdy and mr north you guys have very little idea of what kas is all about!

[Kzanol]

LMAO... I did not think that when I started this thread it would be so double sided. So basically I still have no idea where this "bad reputation" comes from. It looks like some people love KAS and others hate it. Oh well

[sky's the limit]

LMAO... I did not think that when I started this thread it would be so double sided. So basically I still have no idea where this "bad reputation" comes from. It looks like some people love KAS and others hate it. Oh well

Welcome to aviation Kz.....

Come on Rowdy, you gonna make this interesting...???? LOL



stl

[tcraft]

Mr. North, I have to agree, the Duck is a legend and without a doubt one of the best. But you can`t compare your short time in Red to anything that happens in Kenora. And Rowdy, a couple of days in Kenora and a steak sandwich at the Travel lodge when you leave, doesn't make you an expert. There are many who can comment , and probably will,but one thing I can say, I feel the maintenance crew do a good job. If you need to know about KAS ask someone who has actually worked there. Granted ,some are bitter , but some are not.

[Meecka]

HEY!!! The best steak snadwiches were served at Haps' thankyouverymuch!!!

[the deadly booner]

there was a wicked thread on this last winter/spring. look it up if anyone is wanting specifics.

tcraft hit the nail on the head, rowdy: spend a summer in kenora on the dock. i fucking dare you. or rather, ask any of the mechanics you got to know so well where the problem lies. tcraft and i are the biggest fans those mechanics and kuby have, and granny duck is on a pedestal, but none of the afore mentioned would need more than a second to fill you in on the problem. and none of them would listen to the praise you are heaping on the ops manager. why do you think duck is in red lake? do you think he'd spend a summer in kenora? when was the last time anyone from the hangar had a steak sandwich with the ops manager at the travel lodge? do you really think you are the first guy to have a steak sandwich with Caesar and be seduced by the dark side?

its like russia under stalin: one day they she is erecting monuments to you, the next you are an enemy of the people.

i can tell from reading your threads, rowdy, that you are a positive individual generally predisposed to being optimistic under any circumstances but this is a bit like hearing how the guy who ran a puppy mill/dog fighting ring/drowns kittens in sacks really has a good heart because he bought you a beer in a bar once.
it is more than a sore point with people who have been thoroughly used and discarded. you just didn't stick around long enough to get your turn. and we aren't talking about a few isolated cases. bash around a bit longer in aviation and you'll be able to buy a long line of guys a beer and hear a story of how they got the joan collins special(the royal screwjob) at KAS.
but like i said, rowdy, i think you have a positive spirit that is somewhat unique and i don't mean to come down on you but it is hard to read your posts knowing a little more of the history than you could have picked up during your brief time in STP. those who have been there have no tolerance for an apologist for the abuse and humiliation handed out on that dock regularly.

anyone thinking of working there should find the thread from last year; it had the pros and the cons to working in kenora and many would find it instructive.

[donttakeshi*]

I am currently putting myself in the moment... What was it like to have to sit there and grit your teeth through a dinner with her that she was so "kind" to offer you? Was it knowing the fact that the money she was spending on your dinner was only half of what she owed you for the day, maybe even the week? Or was it having to listen to her complain about how much she hates the chinese noodle dish she decided to order.... and then shortly after complain about how much she may even hate the people who invented it?
I don't know you Rowdy, so I can only assume that you have only had to spend a day, or two at best, dealing with the everyday life that is working for Kenora Air.
I also had the pleasure of going to STP, thank god for the vacation....
That is truly sad about your Grandfather passing away. I am sorry. The hug she offered you was her way of weaseling her way into your trust so she can smash and destroy it like I child who comes across a sandcastle they didn't create. It's all fun and games to her.
I also DARE anybody to spend an entire season in Kenora. As for going into personal stories, those are mostly omitted for sake of anonymity.
However, if you are reading this Ms. Ops Manager........ I got you bitch, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[snoopy]

Kzanol, have you tried the search function on this forum? This should fuel your speculation:
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/search.p ... mit=Search
Cheers,
Snoopy

[Rowdy]

See?!? There we go.. finally some people speak up! Thats what I wanted to see and hear.


Someone wanted answers.. you all were so kind as to give them.. with just a wee bit of prodding from me

I was only there for about a week in kenora and spent the rest of my time far far away and did my best to avoid any unneccesary interactions as many had warned me of. Benny has my utmost respect for dealing with that every damn day and to still come away smiling. I did see a couple of "events" on those docks that sure made me wonder...

I never worked the dock there.. damn glad I didn't.. but like Mr. North we came to KAS with some time and were flyin the beavs and not IN kenora.. and that was probably what made things go so smoothly.

Perhap someone is Bi-polar!?? That would seem to make sense.

Maybe I AM too positive and optimistic...