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Just our of curiosity...

How many of you guys have actually encountered a bear out there in the bush in a situation where you did/ would have/ were thinking about giving it a hail of lead?
A couple of years ago I walked up on 2 grizzlies hanging around a tailings pond on a short walk between the airstrip and a mine. This summer we were watched by a Grizzly at less than 200yards while we unloaded at an airstrip he wasn't afraid of the plane or the trucks. In either situations a gun would have been nice.


I encountered this guy a couple of years ago in the NWT. he was well away from us but never the less still impressive!
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OTH...if you need a scope to shoot the bear with....it ain't much of a threat. A real "bear gun" is for close in work. Whacking them at 200 yards doesn't really count.
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Hey Doc a grizzly can cover 200 yards PDQ! and cardiovascular is something not usually in my vocabulary :lol: in both occations a gun was not needed but could have been handy if things went different. I did fail to mention that in the encounter at the mine they were less then 10ft away and just as startled as I was never let your guard down in bear country! I have at least 2-3 bear encounters every summer and just being aware of bears and what attracts them and how to act around them is far better in preventing an attack then a gun would be however if all else fails it could be really handy!
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They are indeed fast. But they would have lost interest by the time they'd gone that distance. Plus, they wouldn't likely leave the cubs that far behind. I doubt they'd even consider you a threat at that distance.
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This is not very relative, but (sorta) funny.

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I got me a RAGING BULL .44 Magnum for the furry critters:
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This one is a 1911 .45 and is for sale:
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Who's 1911 is it, how old, and how much? Trigger job? Ramp work? Sights? Not sure if I want a .45, but I am looking at a .40 Kimber 1911, but it's a few too many $$$$.
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If you are in the market for 1911 style, you might want to take a look at this.

http://www.paraord.com/product/product.html?id=5

Don’t ask about the price but this is supposed to be one nice piece of hardware, and it’s made in Canada.
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Para supplies hand guns to several police forces and some military world wide. I don't think you can buy one in Canada though. They are indeed a high quality piece. Many use them with much success in IPSC competition.
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there are quite a few for sale at Phoenix in Edmonton

http://www.phoenixrange.ca/hand_guns_semiautos.html
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Doc wrote: I don't think you can buy one in Canada though.
Thing seem to be loosening up as of late it seems. Went down to Le Baron the other day and was within a hairs breath of purchasing a Benelli pump with a plastic pistol grip stock. For the longest time I didn’t think you could even bring these things into Canada.
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No problems with the pistol stock....it's the barrel length that counts. You don't want one though. Way better off with a normal stock and short barrel. You won't be able to chock the chicken for a week after ejaculating a full house magnum with a pistol grip stock!

Looproll....the best buy in that group is the CZ85! They are a wonderful piece. Very much the same feel as a Browning Hi Power. And, the Super Blackhawks. I love them SA six shooters! They make very good "bear" guns, BTW.
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Doc wrote: Looproll....the best buy in that group is the CZ85! They are a wonderful piece. Very much the same feel as a Browning Hi Power. And, the Super Blackhawks. I love them SA six shooters! They make very good "bear" guns, BTW.
ha, I was looking at a CZ85. Ambidextrous controls are nice for a southpaw like me (though i'm used to using non ambi firearms)
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Doc wrote:Way better off with a normal stock and short barrel. You won't be able to chock the chicken for a week after ejaculating a full house magnum with a pistol grip stock!


Thats why I have this. But I still want that Benelli
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Can you get the twenty five shell magazine ???
Just in case you stumble upon a nest of them at the teddy bear picnic :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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If I ever do run into a Teddy, I will be shaking rather badly and excreting bodily fluids at an alarming rate that the first 4 shots will be all over the map, but I just might get him with the last 3 mind you. How’s that for logic?

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well by the last three shots he's close enough to be about the same size as the broad side of the barn :wink:
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works for me :smt040

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That'd do the trick!
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The best machine is one strapped to your hip. If its in the airplane, or 100 feet away, even a bazooka is no good. The .45 ACP is a little lite on the hitting power though. I had a guy offer to custom make me a 5 shooter for my .450 Marlins, but my arms probably aren't big enough for that! :rolleyes:
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I'd say the best would be a Taurus Raging Bull chambered in .454 Casull, the recoil isn't too bad with the ported 8 3/8" barrel plus you can practice with .45 long colt which has extremely light recoil for its size. And if you wanna go really excessive then just grab a Siaga 12 automatic 12 gauge shotgun based on the Kalashnikov frame and action :twisted:

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yeah that 12 guage looks like it would ruin any bears day :shock:
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1000 HP wrote:The best machine is one strapped to your hip.
I agree. It can happen fast! Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMbnmLLn ... re=related
Imagine the surprise if the cubs were in the bushes too.

I don't know how you guys cope with the whole ATT thing as pilots. I move around all the time, and sometimes I just pack everything up and go for a drive at the end of a season. That sounds like a lot of red tape to put up with. I'd still like to get a wilderness atc anyway, because it seems to be a "use it or lose it" sort of thing ie. if they're not issuing any it will be harder to get. I'd like a sw629 for that in .44 mag (You know that gun: Do you feel lucky?). I'd also like a .45 for IDPA-type stuff, 1911's are great but I want something with a DA/SA action and a decocker, like a SIG P220 or SW4506. If it's a 1911, I see some really nice kimbers and paras all over the place. I don't see the big deal about everyone using 9mm and .40, the .45 is a pussycat. One of those tokarev's might be in the cards too, they're cheap and the ammo is dirrrt cheap. Should be more fun for practice than a .22. It's like the SKS of the handgun world.

Right now the "bear gun" is a norinco 870 clone. Sometime soon I'm putting a new stock on it that has a pistol grip, and a mag extension. It'd be nice with more capacity, because as morbid as it sounds: if I've put 7 slugs into the bear's vitals and it's still eating me, the 8th round is mine. It takes choke tubes and it's my only shotgun, so it does partridge/duck/goose/rabbit duty too. There's nothing nice about it, but it does a decent job. I'm confident in my abilities with it, however it has had a couple of simple malfunctions. I'm going to try to tune it up a bit to take care of that.

If I was in polar bear country, I think a custom remington 7600 pump would be ideal: all stainless, in .458 win mag, with battue sights, and an AR-style rear stock to be able to adjust length of pull for parkas, pack straps etc....... something like that would be quick sighting, quick firing, super-powerful, and still reliable as long as you handload for the cold weather. I think they used to make a high-caliber custom 7600, I guess it's beefed up a bit. Right now they're only offered in .30-06.

re: the saiga. I think it's under one of the prohibition orders. I think the only AK-derived thing that's legal here is the Valmet. I could be wrong though, it looks like a nice choice for a semi. But I'm sure I would have seen one at the range by now.
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...looked up the old 7600. It was only .35 whelen. Too bad, I don't think I'd want less than .375 H&H for that task. With the .458 you would put it on its butt right away with a half-decent shot placement.
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