Geert Wilders Posts "Fitna" on Liveleak

[JakeYYZ]

I hope that I'm wrong, but I'm thinking a whole lot of violence in about to bust out all over Holland. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong.
Close to 2m hits already. 1.2m from Holland.
Warning: Not suitable for Islamists, Blue suites with red ties, some violence. Parental guidance is advised.
Link to torrent: http://www.mininova.org/tor/1275662

Link to Liveleak: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103

[lilfssister]

loooooooooooooong...but interesting.

Religions remind me of the telephone game. Everyone starts with the same message, then whispers it to the next person. When it passes through 5 or 6 or however many people in the game, the number of different messages at the end equals or is multiplied by, the number of groups/people it has passed through. Take into account the lack of written text when these messages were originally passed, linguistic (local dialect) differences and it it not hard to see where the same message may have been passed to a dozen or so people (OOOOH how biblical!) and been distorted as those people spread "THE word". The basis of them all is "there is no god but God". They're all full of stuff done or what should be done to people who did/do not accept that ultimate truth. The differences arise perhaps when more dramatic speakers passed their version of the "truth" onwards (or people with really bad short term memories?).

I am in NO way religious. I observe the same thing when you tell two people the exact same thing about a new procedure or rule at work, with both in the room at the same time. When it gets to the last of the group, it bears some resemblence to what you told the first two but depending who the message was passed through, and the subsequent passers/passees, it bears no resemblence or only some resemblence to the original message when you get it fed back to you.

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"Blessed are the cheesemakers."

[ottawa,kan]

What's amazing to me is how all the other websites and newspapers and "journalism" sources have completly chickened out on this. No way they would ever let anyone but the radical muslims intimidate them so. Whoosie boys, all of em.

[Dust Devil]

I bet Ezra Lavant would have the balls to tackle this.

[unknowingly upsidedown]

What's amazing to me is how all the other websites and newspapers and "journalism" sources have completly chickened out on this. No way they would ever let anyone but the radical muslims intimidate them so. Whoosie boys, all of em.

perhaps because of the very real threat of a bomb showing up at your receptionists desk

that was interesting for sure. very very scary to say the least.

[niss]

I thought it was quite an interesting piece.

It made me think. If we dont stop the spread of Islamic extremism, what is to stop them from controlling our imaginations?

[bob sacamano]

All extremists are dangerous, be them muslim, jewish, christian, or anything else.

[Phaedrus]

Stand by for an onslaught of moral equivalence in 3-2-1-(0- -1)....

[JakeYYZ]

The video of ‘Fitna’ has been replaced with an official statement from LiveLeak:

Following threats to our staff of a very serious nature, and some ill informed reports from certain corners of the British media that could directly lead to the harm of some of our staff, Liveleak.com has been left with no other choice but to remove Fitna from our servers.
This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net but we have to place the safety and well being of our staff above all else. We would like to thank the thousands of people, from all backgrounds and religions, who gave us their support. They realised LiveLeak.com is a vehicle for many opinions and not just for the support of one.
Perhaps there is still hope that this situation may produce a discussion that could benefit and educate all of us as to how we can accept one anothers culture.
We stood for what we believe in, the ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high.

It’s up on You Tube..for how long?
A general YouTube Fitna search link:

http://www.youtube.com/results?uploaded ... uery=fitna

[JakeYYZ]

LiveLeak “Fitna” is back up...good on 'em.
In one way, the extremists who threaten violence against speech have a much greater reach than the KGB. The KGB could, of course, assassinate any one individual in the West, but it had no capacity to chill anti-Communist speakers in the West. The KGB’s ability to embargo speech extended only to the border of the Soviet empire. Not so with these Islamists, who manage to chill the media merely by the example of their threats in other places. The Islamic threat to free expression far surpasses the Communist.
The vid is 17 minutes long and not particularly hard hitting.

[JakeYYZ]

THE HAGUE, 21/06/08 - The foreign ministry is concerned that Jordan will shortly issue a warrant for the arrest of Party for Freedom (PVV) leader Geert Wilders. This can have "implications for freedom of expression in the Netherlands," according to a spokesman.
A case has been brought against Wilders in Jordan by a group calling itself The Messenger of Allah Unites Us. It accuses the Dutch MP of racism and incitement to hatred against Islam and Muslims. The case was declared admissible by a court in the Jordanian capital of Amman on Monday.
Wilders expects the court to quickly produce a summons and an international warrant for his arrest. Should this happen, Jordan can make a request via Interpol for his tracking down and arrest. Wilders would then run the risk of being arrested abroad. Countries with no extradition treaty with Jordan could then also extradite him, for example with an eye to trade interests.
Wilders said Friday that he is experiencing the situation as a serious hampering of his freedom of movement. He has already had contact several times with Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen about the case. Verhagen is taking the case very seriously, according to Wilders.
A spokesman for Verhagen confirmed that the minister is "following the case very closely because it could have implications for freedom of expression in the Netherlands." He did point out that the Amman court has not yet reached a verdict "and that the Netherlands cannot interfere in the judicial process in Jordan."

Link: http://www.nisnews.nl/public/210608_3.htm

It's getting more than a little annoying to have these repressive Islamic tyrannies lecture the Free World on how we should be running our lives.

[JakeYYZ]

Dear Jordan:
Since you have been so kind as to take the first step and open up a dialogue on the topic, there are just a few minor things that we too find offensive and were wondering if you perhaps could do something about them.
- Your ideas of religious freedom seem a tad lacking to us. Christians are being systematically persecuted and driven from Palestinian controlled portions of the Holy Land. Christians and Jews are second class citizens in virtually all Muslim dominated countries. As long as we are discussing things that bring offense, perhaps you might consider those things.
- About this honor violence and the treatment of women thing, do you think you can work on that? It really does offend some of us in the West. I realize women can seem a bit threatening, but do you have to stone them to save your idea of honor? Or gang rape them? Or beat them to death? Or set them on fire? And do you really have to perform female genital mutilation?
- Most of us in the West are offended by pedophilia. What do you say, can you do away with arranged marriages to and sex with pre-pubescent girls in order to stop offending us?
- Some have noted that court systems applying Sharia law, discriminate based on gender and religion. Is there any reason you can think of that a Muslim male's testimony should count twice that of a non-Muslim's or a woman's? We do find such systemic discrimination a bit disquieting.
- Is there a reason you keep hanging gays? A substantial number of us are offended by killing or beating a person for their sexual orientation. Please look in to this.
I'll tell you what, why don't you get cracking on the things that offend us, and then we'll talk some more about silencing our freedom of speech to keep you happy. Or are our concerns just more Islamophobia on our part? Well, what say you my Jordanian friends?
Sincerely,

Jake

[. ._]

BOOOORING!!!

Yeah they want to kill everyone that isn't them. Big deal. Everybody knows that. It's in their book.

Just like the capitalists want to kill everyone that isn't a capitalist. No official book, but actions show it.

That's the world, and the dirty unwashed masses like myself are powerless to do anything about it.

My pizza should be showing up any time now. Gotta go.

-istp

[Changes in Latitudes]

But Cat Steven's wrote Peace Train... ride on peace train, ride on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7wEctHyuc0

Not sure how this Fitna video is helpful or educational to anyone who isn't already in search of reasons to hate. Anyway, we'll teach em' real good, we'll hate em' right back. Take that ya talley bans.

[JakeYYZ]

Although I found nothing new or surprising in Fitna, that fact in itself may speak volumes, since I believe the purpose of the film was to keep an important but stalled conversation going. Whenever anyone, including moderate Muslims has been known to speak out, they are more often than not ignored or discounted by the MSM and apologists for radical Islamics, as well as threatened with death by Muslim leaders, until the conversation is once again stalled. We currently have possible radical Islamic terrorists imprisoned within our borders, and Imams do seem by many accounts to get away with hate speech calling for violence that would not be tolerated by Christian leaders, and in my mind it is just better to talk about it now, than fight about it later.
Radical Islam won’t disappear without being addressed and ignoring it or trying to pretend it doesn’t exist isn’t helpful so by provoking these kinds of debates, Wilders has achieved a measure of success. Just how much remains to be seen.

[BoostedNihilist]

I'm going to Jordan.. tell you what, I'll ask some Jordanians what they actually believe and get back to you guys
I can also ask a Syrian, or a Turkish person.. If you want, I can even ask a Lebanese person.

I bet you everything I hear about all of those places before I leave will turn out to be a bunch of horseshit.