Jetsgo to launch sale with seats for $20.05

Blastor · Post by **Blastor** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:18 am

Jetsgo to launch sale with seats for $20.05

By Brent Jang
Tuesday, January 4, 2005 - Page B9

Jetsgo Corp. announced a 2005 seat sale yesterday, days after the discount airline faced angry passengers left stranded amid flight cancellations in the Toronto winter storm before Christmas.

The Montreal-based carrier said that consumers booking flights from Toronto to any of the carrier's destinations, starting today and lasting until Jan. 15, will qualify for a one-way fare of $20.05, plus taxes and surcharges.

The seat sale is for travel beginning Jan. 14 and tickets are good through 2005. While the storm hampered all airlines, Jetsgo's problems were compounded by its staff schedule in which many flight crews exceeded maximum regulated hours they were supposed to fly.

Privately owned Jetsgo estimated that 3,000 passengers felt the impact of its flight delays or cancellations on Dec. 23 and Christmas Eve. Details of the seat sale, planned before the holiday storm hit, will be posted today on Jetsgo's website, company spokesman Brad Cicero said.

spanky01 · Post by **spanky01** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:07 am

Lets start the betting on when this company goes out of business. I say less than 1 year

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:28 pm

This strikes me as a more productive method of winning back business than hiring Celine Dion...and it's a lot less annoying than her caterwauling

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:22 pm

Hmm my interpretation on this latest strategic move by JG is that no purely domestic carrier is going to make any money. That spells bad news for the industry which translates into zero growth and potential job losses. On the other hand everyone could get busy and increase Canada’s population however that solution will probably take a few years to produce any results.

jahoo · Post by **jahoo** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:45 pm

Could anybody enlighten me - what is the rough cost of flying a jet from Toronto to Montreal? Can a company stay in business selling tickets for 20 or even 100 bucks?

just another pilot · Post by **just another pilot** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:50 pm

I couldn't drive my car from Toronto to Montreal for twenty bucks.

oxygen on · Post by **oxygen on** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:20 pm

Ever since the introduction of the cheap, and then very cheap airline tickets. Our industry has been spiraling down. The public is now in a mindset that you shouldn’t pay a lot for air travel. Sacrificing service, on time departure, security and the well being of airline employees. I don’t know how this could turn around.

... · Post by **...** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:18 pm

Where were all these opinions when I was going head to head with the Jetsgo gang in the Jetsgo forum a month ago?

Oh I know...I'm way ahead of the popular thinking.

Flying on the cheap will eventually kill someone. A lot of our 'colleagues' believed that paying to work (32K) is a quick solution for their desire to fly the big iron and walk through T3 with the 'cheezies' on their shoulders.

Cultivate, not compromise your skills.

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:31 pm

I just got finished checking flight costs for a return trip Winnipeg to Toronto for this spring.

AC $401.49 total inlcuding taxes etc.
WJ $401.48
Jetsgo $263.51

They must really be in suck up mode!!!

Bugz · Post by **Bugz** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:39 pm

Hey Blastor, still unable to get the "westjetsucks.com" website that you posted on the Jetsgo forum. I guess you're not done creating it yet, eh.

In your haste to promote the Jetsgo seat sale I guess you forgot to post the WestJet one also. Don't worry, slight over sight on your part. But here's the link.

http://c3dsp.westjet.com/internet/sky/b ... mplate.jsp

Round trip between YYZ and YYC including all taxes:
Jetsgo - $295.61 ($20.05 only applies one way)
WestJet - $305.18

$9.57 is a small price to pay to arrive within 12 hours of sched time WITH your bags.

Ok Blastor, you screwed your WestJet interview, you hate WestJet for whatever reason. Everyone knows that, right down to the newest member here. Now stop wasting everyone’s time, not to mention valuable storage space in AvCanada database, and post some useful information, or even a creative thought, rather than cutting and pasting news articles that you get email to you every time one comes out. We get it. Move on with your life buddy!

And if you feel the need to do something productive if your life, go to http://www.redcross.ca and make a donation. You don't even have to show you're a big man and tell us how much you donated. You can keep that secret between your conscience and whatever God you believe in.

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:28 pm

Bugz

You would be well advised to follow your own advice. The last time I looked Canada was still a free country so if Blaster wishes to post an article that the news media is widely reporting or for that matter any article or opinion he has the right to do so. In case you haven’t noticed WJ is no longer the golden boy purer then snow gift to aviation. By the way their fall from grace was self induced...

How much has WJ donated? Hmm I thought so...

disco · Post by **disco** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:40 pm

I'm sure everyone old enough to post here, knows that $20 seat promotions apply to only a select number of seats per flight. I can't believe some of you started to look at the math when you don't have any idea how many they are blowing out like this. ALL of the Canadian airlines are playing this game right now and it stimulates business. It gets the customer on the phone and if they are not a die hard for that fare, they will still book the next one up that suits their travel plans...

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:51 am

True enough... but $20??? I have trouble seeing this as anything other than a further erosion of the industry that I had hoped would put food on my table for the next thirty years. This constant reinforcement in the public eye of the notion that everyone should have the right to cross the country by air for less than it costs to fill their tank with gas... well it's a plague as far as I'm concerned.

IMHO.

disco · Post by **disco** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:24 am

gelbicsh,

I agree wholeheartedly in the principle you are putting forth but there is no way it will be the airlines who are responsible enough to regulate these fares on their own. They have been killing each other in this way since deregulation.

Regulation of fares by the government is the only way you will see the industry you (and I) dream of.

Without it, someone will ALWAYS attempt to steal market share with a lower fare. ALWAYS.

Big_Oaf · Post by **Big_Oaf** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:31 am

I agree. I think the public is only getting a worse picture of aviation as a whole. Have you ever watched that show (not sure what its called) that follows southwest airlines ticket agents? Its amazing what some people think they have the right to do on an airplane. And it all stems from the fact that travel by air is one of the cheapest ways to travel. So any dick and jane with a couple extra dollars can go flying for the hell of it. used to be that you would have to save your pennies for a while before you could brave the skies.

Advertising that you can go from toronto to anywhere Jetsgo flies is seen as exactly that. $20.00 to go anywhere on an airplane. Before long that is what every one expects to pay and business drops off for any airline charging more. Its a cut throat market.

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:08 am

Was there to check and 20.05 is one direction and then 169.00 return. Works out to be 189.00 before all those taxes. Their one way fare to anywhere and back is 99.00 plus all those taxes. They're still making their money minus 10 bucks. A good strategy, no?

Blastor · Post by **Blastor** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:30 am

Bugz, buddy...

WestJet may retire older craft

TORONTO -- WestJet Airlines Ltd. is considering putting the brakes on next year's expansion plans and switching its attention to cutting costs by retiring most or all of its fleet of 15 older Boeing 737-200 aircraft.

(Cutting cost?.. Hold on to your seat: Low cost carrier cutting cost further, employee work for food )

The Calgary-based discount carrier will be taking delivery of 15 new Boeing 737s next year, and had originally planned to phase out three of its older planes in 2005. That strategy would have boosted its total fleet to 66 from the current 54 active aircraft. But WestJet may now retire most or all of the 15 older airplanes in 2005, potentially accelerating plans to get rid of its most fuel-inefficient aircraft.

(c) Vancouver Sun

All the brain washing you go through can’t hide the truth: An all time low for flight loads, poor results in the “golden triangle”, 2 lawsuits, a string of desperate seat sales “a la Jetsgo” and a monetary lost looming for the next quarter. Things are definitely not going well at WJ.

Did reality bust your little bubble? Will God….I mean Clive, pull a miracle for you? Or will he leave you hangin’? Will you get a pay raise to compensate for the 40% loss in your stock options, which is part of your remuneration package?

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:12 pm

Airlines are a capital-intensive commodity business, which translates roughly to financial suicide.

Wasn't it Warren Buffet who said that the airlines, since the days of Orville and Wilbur, have yet to show a net profit?

How many years do you guys need to learn a lesson?

Sheesh.

Bugz · Post by **Bugz** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:44 pm

Blastor,

If you would let go of your anger you would realize that I was not defending, "The golden boy purer than snow gift to aviation," Westjet. I was simply stating that everyone is aware of your hatred for WestJet, and we tire of it.

I also stated that you were incapable of an original thought. You proved me right on both points again by slamming WestJet, as well as cutting and pasting another news article. I am actually quite impressed how you let your creative juices flow, underling and bolding other peoples articles, emphasizing points that you think are important. That little devil face is kinda cute. I could be wrong, but by inserting your own text into an article that is copyrighted by the Vancouver Sun, and not differentiating your thoughts from that of the original author, could be considered plagiarism, or some other breach of copyright laws. You might want to look into that.

I am also shocked that you would be surprised by the fact that a company, any company, whether a low cost carrier or a widget manufacturer, would want to cut its costs. I’m no economics major, but every company tries to increase revenues and/or reduce its expenses, therefore increasing its profits. The idea applies to all businesses. Whether Jetsgo runs seat sales to increase revenue, or WestJet retires older, less efficient planes. (Can’t explain Celine Dion though

) They all have the same goal, to be profitable.

By the way, did the link to http://www.redcross.ca work for you? No problem, you’re welcome for pointing you towards it.

Snow Monkey · Post by **Snow Monkey** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:25 pm

How much has WJ donated? Hmm I thought so...[/quote]

What was the original thread again?

Yes its great AC is offering a aircraft and crews and my hats off to them. What is Jets Go doing or Sky Service, Transat or for that matter Air Georgian, Air Nunavut, Bearskin, Wasaya. How come Hicks and Lawrence or Air Spray aren't sending C 310's and Commander loads of supplies over? These are airlines not relief organisations. Perhaps the employees are doing something who knows.

Perhaps Rebel and Blastor should start a thread slamming all the Canadian airlines and charter companies that aren't offering equipment to the relief effort.

Back to the $20 seat sale, good for Jets Go if they can afford to do it great it keeps competion alive and affordable to the travelling public.

Gear Up · Post by **Gear Up** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:08 pm

I think disco's post of Jan 4 answers any questions people may have about this thread. He hit the nail on the head.

CFV2 · Post by **CFV2** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:57 pm

How much has WJ donated? Hmm I thought so...

Corporately, I believe they've offered flights to the Red Cross for its employees anywhere on the network.

Departments and individual employees are holding their own fundraising drives internally for money, items and clothes.... there's quite a few going on.

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:18 pm

Well that's certainly the wholly depressing direction that this industry has taken. I agree that airlines will likely never set more reasonable fares on their own... not so long as they can sell seats for silly amounts of money in order to get a leg up on their competition or poke the other guy in the eye. I don't have much trust in our government to ever set things right either.

It's obvious that the days of the legacy carriers are over and I've long since let go of the illusion of ever working with an--arguably overly generous--contract like the good ol' boys at AC had. I guess the fact of the matter is that one ought to consider his job flying as just for fun and find a supplemental income to make life more comfortable and the income a little more stable.

I guess nothing lasts forever...

kjet83 · Post by **kjet83** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:05 pm

In case nobody has noticed the whole industry changed on 9/11/2001.
Companies that were just hanging on before that day are long since gone.
If any of you world travellers ever go to sim training in the USA ask around about how many experienced jet drivers are on the street and have been for years. Former 737 Capt. sitting sideways in an old DC8 for DHL.

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:08 pm

The whole principal behind lowcost carriers was not sink every other airline, but to make it affordable for the average Joe to afford leisure travel (hence no business class) and attract people that would normally drive, take the bus, train or stay home. No frills! Remember! Just a cheap alternate means of transportation that gets you there faster (theoretically)!

Jetsgo to launch sale with seats for $20.05

Jetsgo to launch sale with seats for $20.05

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