Air Canada cuts 2000 jobs

[Stoptheworld]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

A break in the action.

If I read the article right, the rotten beggars subsidize jet fuel as well.

[Flying Nutcracker]

After having read half this thread it has become obvious to me that this forum is the prime evidence why pilots and unions results in agony...

My sympathy goes out to my fellow airline industry peers who will face a challenging time ahead!

FN

[sstaurus]

As much as I want to believe everyone who says stop screaming the sky is falling and weather the storm, I also don't want to rely on denial. Denial is warm and fuzzy, but I also hope that aviation doesn't disappear. I'm praying there's at least a happy medium so all my effort spent training till now is not wasted!

[. .]

That comment about go ask the employees, I know some that have quit Air Canada and went either to Westjet or back to their old companies. Sounds like a real dream job doesnt it? I like so many got PFOd from AC. (took 2 months to find out, not the 6 or even a year some people had to wait).I dont speak french. Just English. Im not female. Maybe I didnt do good on their stupid tests. I dont know and I dont care really. I do know that I had a lot better experience than a lot of people I know who did get on there. I also know a lot of good people that got the PFO. It makes you wonder that if good people are getting turned away because they dont fit "the mold", what is the overall mentality of upper management. All I can say is Thank You Air Canada for not hiring me.

1. Westjet guys have also gone to Air Canada. Does that mean that WestJet isn't a good job? The grass always looks greener on the other side.

2. Previous experience wasn't the main criteria that Air Canada was hiring on. You having great experience didn't entitle you to the job.

3. I'd also like to take a moment to thank Air Canada for not hiring you.

[iwannasoar]

I think it's all bull. Too conveinent with the contracts up in 09. I just did a flight from LGA to YYZ in an A319 at 16,000ft. So much for Fuel costs are killing us. Wx/winds we're not a factor for keeping us low. Go figure!

[Four1oh]

I don't get it. Air Canada is forecasting a reduction in capacity in the next year of 2% domestic, 13% transborder, and 7% international, while Westjet is holding to it's plan to increase capacity by 15% over the same period.

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/444540

I think it's impossible for those projections to be accurate since they are so far apart. They fly the same passengers, on much the same domestic structure and are competitive in pricing. Is AC overreacting, or is WJ burying it's head in the sand? If the rising cost of travel keeps folks from flying, won't they will abandon AC and Westjet equally?

I think WJ is posturing itself right now to perhaps sell shares to those investors scared away from AC due to the announcement. But it will be a short-lived. WJ has a habit of breaking the bad news about prices, fuel surcharges,, etc only after Air Canada has softened everyone up for the shock. In a month or so, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Westjet announce a slowdown in it's planned growth. But they'll make sure everyone knows how they held out for a long as they could, and of course how their cuts are not as deep as Air Canada's.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the industry cooling off a bit. We all need a time out. Maybe the revolving door could slow down a bit and those of us engaged in those other aviation pursuits can finally get caught up on the hiring and training.

It's not smoke and mirrors. Traditionally, LCC's tend to do better in lean times. Look at SW who had a major expansion at the expense of the Legacy's. Think about it this way, when a company needs to fly it's employees around but also needs to tighten their belt, are not going to book 1st class or even business class anymore, they're going to book the cheapest seat, just like the rest of us poor slobs. Who, you ask, can offer a cheaper seat and still be profitable?

[Dex]

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!

[365TAS]

I just did a flight from LGA to YYZ in an A319 at 16,000ft. So much for Fuel costs are killing us. Wx/winds we're not a factor for keeping us low. Go figure!

...if you want to fly higher on that route fly Porter EWR-YTZ...we get FL220 or FL240...

[mathias_now]

My hats off to these pilots being laid off!!

[iwannasoar]

I just did a flight from LGA to YYZ in an A319 at 16,000ft. So much for Fuel costs are killing us. Wx/winds we're not a factor for keeping us low. Go figure!

...if you want to fly higher on that route fly Porter EWR-YTZ...we get FL220 or FL240...

Sorry pal I've done my time flying turboprops around the world. Thanks for the offer though!

[THEICEMAN]

Unconfirmed report.....

200-300 pilots to be laid off. All 8 A330s to be gone by nov. 1st, 2008......

Meanwhile West Jet keeps growing!

[E-Flyer]

I think it's all bull. Too conveinent with the contracts up in 09. I just did a flight from LGA to YYZ in an A319 at 16,000ft. So much for Fuel costs are killing us. Wx/winds we're not a factor for keeping us low. Go figure!

How about we contribute to global warming and encourage more temprature fluxes. Wouldn't that help the jetstream? lol. Fly the god damn thing at low power and let the wind do the rest

[yycflyguy]

Unconfirmed report.....

200-300 pilots to be laid off. All 8 A330s to be gone by nov. 1st, 2008......

Meanwhile West Jet keeps growing!

Unconfirmed from your mouth? Nowhere have those numbers been mentioned and I doubt that after parking the A340's it makes sense to handicap your money making international routes by parking the A330s... they will be here till the 787s arrive IMHO.

[Four1oh]

I thought they said initially they were parking 767's? or was that someone's guessing?

[tonysoprano]

The original plan was to park all the 767-200s. I believe that is still the plan but there are rumors that Boeing has offered a refurb program for those fins as well as getting us a couple more 300s and more 777s to offset the late arrival of the 787s. Personally I don't think we will be able to put all those planes to work giving the current environment but I can see us requiring the 300s and the many sevens.

[E-Flyer]

I'm not up there at ACA yet, but what would be wrong with having the more efficient 777 and cutting all 767's including the 763's?

[Asia Al]

A330's getting parked. Heard this too the other day.

Originally was going to be 3X A330 and some 767-3's, but that changed 2 days ago.

Won't be annouced till later this summer so not to piss off pilot body during busy period.

Sorry boys.

[tonysoprano]

The 330s getting parked is an old one. We've known that one for a while. The 787 is the replacement. Now that the 87 is delayed, who knows? We are in a state of daily change. What you hear today will not hold true tomorrow. It's a good time for the rumor mongers and speculators. When the dust settles, you'll have to find a new game to play, eh?

[W5]

Air Canada may retire Airbus jets sooner - CEO

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsN ... 618?rpc=44

[tonysoprano]

Well, so much for AsiaAl's rumor.
As an aside to all this I can't help but think at how we are already considering the big busses and 767s as fuel guzzlers. The high bypass technology seems to be improving quickly and thus the aggrevation over delays of the 787. Boeing better cough up something good for compensation. But in the end I think AC will wossy out and just go with the delays. Airbus has offerred financial compensation for the 380 delays. Let's see what Boeing will offer.

[E-Flyer]

Well, so much for AsiaAl's rumor.
As an aside to all this I can't help but think at how we are already considering the big busses and 767s as fuel guzzlers. The high bypass technology seems to be improving quickly and thus the aggrevation over delays of the 787. Boeing better cough up something good for compensation. But in the end I think AC will wossy out and just go with the delays. Airbus has offerred financial compensation for the 380 delays. Let's see what Boeing will offer.

Free airplane models. 1:200 scale. They have a lot of those

I thought Boeing offered extra 777's for ACA?

[tonysoprano]

Free airplane models. 1:200 scale. They have a lot of those

I thought Boeing offered extra 777's for ACA?

..and cool videos to get the employees excited. I sure am.
Who knows what they offered. No decision has been made yet. Like I said, this is a speculator's dream. Not to mention the "experts"....

[iwannasoar]

...........Fly the god damn thing at low power and let the wind do the rest

disconnect the autothrottle? ARE YOU MAD?

[THEICEMAN]

Unconfirmed from your mouth? Nowhere have those numbers been mentioned and I doubt that after parking the A340's it makes sense to handicap your money making international routes by parking the A330s... they will be here till the 787s arrive IMHO.

It makes perfect sense..... Reduce the fleet types! Other people on this forum are coming up with the same info!

What money making international route? Apart from London, Paris & Frankfurt....it hasn't been looking good at all! Do you know how much money Air Canada has been loosing on Asia????

The 777s are becoming a short term financial drain for Air Canada. Although you can place them on routes in the summer....where do you fly them in the winter? Too bad the 330s didn't have much range!

[quaid]

Who cares about air chaos save the pilots working for them, just goes to show that the company is yet again the poorly run jelly donut of the sky. Hope transat makes a run for ACs juggular.