2870 Floats

sheephunter · Post by **sheephunter** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:32 pm

Guys, I need some help. Anyone know of a set of 2870's for sale with 180 rigging. I'm in Ontario, so the closer the better. Thanks for your help. I know there are lots around that don't even know they're for sale.

Blakey · Post by **Blakey** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:56 pm

Those amphibs getting a bit heavy Sheephunter?

sheephunter · Post by **sheephunter** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:08 pm

Not really. The 2700 & 2705's are perfect for the 180. Same float as the 2870 but with wheels stuck in them. Obviuosly the electric motors in the 2700's are the glitch while the 2705's are hydraulic. (the conversion is where I'm heading) since whip & aerocet have set the bar a little high for me. If not for that you'd almost never here from me. I basically have to loose one passenger. But hey, I don't have any back seats anyway and not that many friends. Not that bad with the wing-x, sportsman and vg's. Works OK. Not great, just OK off water, but will be great on straight floats. Just happens where I am operating it is just so much more convenient to operate out of where the fuel is and the supplies are. Saves a lot of time and wear and tear on trucks and boot leather hiking into town when you show up unexpectedly. Travelling long distance is amazingly easy having both options and sometimes a logistic nightmare being stuck to just float bases. The 2870 will hopefully be a quick fix for the season. Maybe I'll get used of them, but I doubt it. Thanks to all the others that have pm'd with great leads.

Airtids · Post by **Airtids** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:55 pm

I've got the 180 fittings, but the floats are occupied

. Let me know if you need them.

Robin

sheephunter · Post by **sheephunter** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:01 pm

Robin, Thanks. I'm on day two with nothing firm happening. I appreciate your note. Thanks

Jungle Jim · Post by **Jungle Jim** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:01 am

Try Joe Kane at Barrie/Springwater airport. He alway has a bunch of floats about the yard.

Jim

niss · Post by **niss** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:02 am

Joe Kane or Chantal Desrosier www.aircraftsales.ca

sheephunter · Post by **sheephunter** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:11 pm

Didn't see anything on their website but just put a call in anyway just in case. Thanks, Kevin

Hornblower · Post by **Hornblower** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:24 am

Even better, ... I have a friend with a pair of 2960s, missing the porkchops but we can get those. Very negociable, ... Ontario, decent, but not like new condition. Very servicable. PM if interested.

sheephunter · Post by **sheephunter** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:54 am

Hornblower Thanks, I'll keep it in mind but that extra 17" or whatever it is on the 2960's as opposed to the 2870's just makes it tough on the old 180's with the O-470. I have had guys tell me that once you get onto them they're OK and then others tell me they will make a fool of you. I can do that most of the time without help. That being said, if I am stuck and the price is right and they are located close enough... I may consider them. Thanks

1000 HP · Post by **1000 HP** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:36 pm

Checked with my cousin. He'll sell you the whole airplane with the floats, but is unwilling to sell the floats separately. Sorry.. On the bright side, it's got new paint, panel, prop, and interior...

Big Pistons Forever · Post by **Big Pistons Forever** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:21 pm

sheephunter wrote:Hornblower Thanks, I'll keep it in mind but that extra 17" or whatever it is on the 2960's as opposed to the 2870's just makes it tough on the old 180's with the O-470. I have had guys tell me that once you get onto them they're OK and then others tell me they will make a fool of you. I can do that most of the time without help. That being said, if I am stuck and the price is right and they are located close enough... I may consider them. Thanks

My experience was just the opposite. My C180 had the 2870's which certainly worked OK but I flew a friends C 180 with 2960's a few times and thought it was easlier to handle and more stable on the water. Just one opinion though I wonder what others think ?

sheephunter · Post by **sheephunter** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:49 pm

Big Pistons, what year were those 180's. I am getting really mixed reports on this. Anyone else with comments as there seem to be quite a few more 2960's available locally than 2870's.

Hornblower · Post by **Hornblower** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:26 am

I've flown 180s and 185s with CAPs, EDO 2870s, EDO 2960s and PeeKays (ugh). I like the 2960s best. That being said I have never flown an old (pre '60) 180 on 2960's, and they are a lighter, better performing AC (slower though). I find it hard to believe that the 2960s wouldn't work well though.

I know there are a few STCs floating around (pun not intended), that will convert 2870s to 2960s, so maybe that is why you can't find too many pairs of the former.

Blakey · Post by **Blakey** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:59 am

I prefer the 2870s. The 2960s work just as well but it's a lot easier to find the sweet spot on the 2870s when you need to get off the water in a hurry in a short lake. I imagine that an experienced 2960 driver would have no problem but if you're not in exactly the right attitude for your weight and the water conditions and you try to "horse" the 2960s off, it's like hitting the brakes when those tails dig in! 2870s are just a bit easier to get right in a hurry. The 2870s are lighter by a few pounds but the 2960s allow for higher gross to offset that.

The 2960s are great for beaching - you can usually get to the sand and back with dry shoes!

lazyboy · Post by **lazyboy** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:09 am

I have flown both sets on the C-180.On the water if you are heavy the 2960's I like better for the extra floatation,and never had a problem taking off.Just don't try and rush the take off by pulling back or you dig the heels in and lenghthen the take off roll.The 2870'3 are a little under floated if you are operating in anytype of wind at gross(worse if you have the kenmore upgross),on the other hand you can pull the airplane into the air sooner.

sheephunter · Post by **sheephunter** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:10 am

I was just looking at the specs of 180's to see if design had anything to do with the diffence of reported performance of one float over the other but it seems that they are all from start to finish quite close. I know close is horseshoes, but I thought if one happened to be quite a bit longer maybe that was it. I am thanking everyone for their help but now am getting a little confused as to which I am more concerned because in most cases I am working with good loads and long lakes with usually wind, but then on occassion I am into small lakes but light... but with my amphibs, so is performance on the 2960's still going to be as good or better than the 2700's? Can you roll the 2960's or do you just have to wait for it to fly? Wish I could try them side by side before I had to make a decision.

lazyboy · Post by **lazyboy** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:42 am

hey there...pm me if you want to discuss the floats

Big Pistons Forever · Post by **Big Pistons Forever** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:59 pm

sheephunter wrote:Big Pistons, what year were those 180's. I am getting really mixed reports on this. Anyone else with comments as there seem to be quite a few more 2960's available locally than 2870's.

My 180 was a 1957 C180A, the one with the 2960's was a 1975 H model.

cubonfloats · Post by **cubonfloats** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:59 pm

EDO 2870A W/C180/185 RIGGING • $13,000 • AVAILABLE IMMEDIATELY • Redone 08/07, Hatches w/6 x 22.5 Openings, Cessna white, Local P/U in central Canada or crate & ship • Contact Gary W. Masniuk, Owner - located Winnipeg, MB Canada • Telephone: 204-981-6226 . • Posted July 29, 2008

saw that ad on Barnstormers.com, hope that helps.

sheephunter · Post by **sheephunter** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:59 pm

Thanks to everyone that commented, made suggestions and your advice. Plane is at home again in the hangar and I'm good to go. Leaving sometime over the weekend depending on weather. Will figure this out over the off season with more time to look around.

moose · Post by **moose** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:21 pm

sheephunter, getting to this a little bit late maybe, but there is a set of 2870 floats with the 180 rigging for sale by Art Latto out of Savant Lake, Ontario(hour out of sioux lookout). no idea on price, fairly sure theyre in good shape, givem a shout

onceacop · Post by **onceacop** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:45 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EDO-2870 ... enameZWDVW

HS-748 2A · Post by **HS-748 2A** » Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:23 am

Sorry to dredge up an old thread but I've been doing research along a similar line lately and this thread came up on google.

Sheephunter - The Type Certificate for the 180A/B does not cover the installation of 2960s.
Here's the link; http://www.aftd.com/TCDS_PDFS/5A6_66.pdf
Are you still in the market for straight floats?

'48

sheephunter · Post by **sheephunter** » Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:03 am

'748, How's that new bird. I thought it was already on floats? I think I finally have my problems figured out. Moreso, my AME has become quite knowledgeable with my gear. It was an expensive education, but now hopefully it will average out over the next few years. Fuel in the north is just getting tougher on floats or wheels at least here in NE Ont. & PQ. It's nice to have both options as well the Mogas STC as long as you can afford the associated performance deficiencies while on water. For me it actually works out best with amphibs. as I can work good loads off paved runways for the into camp flight and work return trips lighter off the water. Anyone around have a 180/sportsman/wing-x/vg's with 2870's. I really would like to compare T/O distances. Not a contest, but just to know how much the sacrifice is. 748, let us all know how yours is coming along.

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