But since it's all region/tower specific now, maybe easier to incorporate?
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No more NCTI now Old Dog
But since it's all region/tower specific now, maybe easier to incorporate?
But since it's all region/tower specific now, maybe easier to incorporate?
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Interesting replies thus far.
Now tell me, how does any of this fit into TODAY's environment where users are scrapping pillows and life jackets to save weight and hence fuel??? Is it really okay for others to burn more fuel so the dodgy old motorhome can block the left lane of the 401 during rush hour? Someone has to be inconvienced for that to happen.
Seems to me that system capacity and an "orderly" and "expeditious" flow of traffic are far more important TODAY than anything else. Actually, I think if one keeps the bigger picture in mind, then comments about certain aircraft that don't fit in as well and need to be "accomodated" are far more professional than others have alluded to. It's not a question of "bitching" about it as much as it is the needless waste of airspace and restrictions.
Not quite as simple anymore as working a BA146 (TONKA-JET) with a F28, a 727, a 737-200 (FLUFFY), a couple C402's/PA31's, a F5, a CT114 etc etc etc. Been there too... The users demand more, the traffic volumes are WAY higher and the equipment has changed.
But I digress as the moderators will likely delete this thread if it ever gets the least bit interesting....right?
Now tell me, how does any of this fit into TODAY's environment where users are scrapping pillows and life jackets to save weight and hence fuel??? Is it really okay for others to burn more fuel so the dodgy old motorhome can block the left lane of the 401 during rush hour? Someone has to be inconvienced for that to happen.
Seems to me that system capacity and an "orderly" and "expeditious" flow of traffic are far more important TODAY than anything else. Actually, I think if one keeps the bigger picture in mind, then comments about certain aircraft that don't fit in as well and need to be "accomodated" are far more professional than others have alluded to. It's not a question of "bitching" about it as much as it is the needless waste of airspace and restrictions.
Not quite as simple anymore as working a BA146 (TONKA-JET) with a F28, a 727, a 737-200 (FLUFFY), a couple C402's/PA31's, a F5, a CT114 etc etc etc. Been there too... The users demand more, the traffic volumes are WAY higher and the equipment has changed.
But I digress as the moderators will likely delete this thread if it ever gets the least bit interesting....right?
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I wonder why it's the airlines and NavCanada always being the ones pushed for cost savings? How about the fuel companies stop charging so freakin much for gas??? Or better yet, take gas and oil companies off the stock market. It's really the stock market speculators causing the price jumps.
Side note: Lilfssister, new avatar? Where'd kitty go?
Side note: Lilfssister, new avatar? Where'd kitty go?
Having a standard that pilots lose their licence after making a mistake despite doing no harm to aircraft or passengers means soon you needn't worry about a pilot surplus or pilots offering to fly for free. Where do you get your experience from?
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She's feeling a little left out.... 
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Murray
I don't have a hard on for YYZ. I just wish they could move traffic as effectively as their counterparts. Just yesterday, a 767 waived his wake turbulence separation for departing behind another 767 ( which was lighter because it had a domestic destination ) with the wind blowing right across the runway ( as usual ) and he was denied by the controller. Apparently a GTAA policy.
That is obviously not the controller personally but rather the policy said controller has to work within, so stop taking things so personally. I also completely agree with complexintentions, the controlling at LHR is top drawer, as a pilot, you can leave the throttles at idle and base your descent on the "track miles from threshold" provided by the controller. Actually, it is a requirement. Imagine that? All sorts of types all weighing different weights, all on the approach, all at idle thrust, all at different vertical speeds. That is controlling as an art form. So when people gripe about an RJ climbing in a country where airspace is abundant, I think perhaps there is an issue. Again, not with the person but rather the system.
I am not a controller so I cannot see through your glasses but as a pilot who experiences the "product" of many different FIRs' and TCA's, I can tell you that for the most part, YYZ does not rank all that high. Again Murray, nothing personal.
It is a fact that all aircraft perform differently. Even aircraft of the same type perform differently based on the operators' policies or weight and configuration. I am not sure that controllers here are aware of that. This will become more evident in the upcoming months because as we speak, airlines are rewriting their policies to reflect better fuel savings. Descent speeds will be reduced, accepting directs will decline as airlines flight plan around FIRs' that charge higher fees, etc.
It would be a wonderful thing to have controllers and pilots spend a few days together on a training exercise like we used to do but I fear that with todays' "tunnel vision" management style from both camps, we may not achieve much other than perhaps better understanding each others frustrations.
I don't have a hard on for YYZ. I just wish they could move traffic as effectively as their counterparts. Just yesterday, a 767 waived his wake turbulence separation for departing behind another 767 ( which was lighter because it had a domestic destination ) with the wind blowing right across the runway ( as usual ) and he was denied by the controller. Apparently a GTAA policy.
That is obviously not the controller personally but rather the policy said controller has to work within, so stop taking things so personally. I also completely agree with complexintentions, the controlling at LHR is top drawer, as a pilot, you can leave the throttles at idle and base your descent on the "track miles from threshold" provided by the controller. Actually, it is a requirement. Imagine that? All sorts of types all weighing different weights, all on the approach, all at idle thrust, all at different vertical speeds. That is controlling as an art form. So when people gripe about an RJ climbing in a country where airspace is abundant, I think perhaps there is an issue. Again, not with the person but rather the system.
I am not a controller so I cannot see through your glasses but as a pilot who experiences the "product" of many different FIRs' and TCA's, I can tell you that for the most part, YYZ does not rank all that high. Again Murray, nothing personal.
It is a fact that all aircraft perform differently. Even aircraft of the same type perform differently based on the operators' policies or weight and configuration. I am not sure that controllers here are aware of that. This will become more evident in the upcoming months because as we speak, airlines are rewriting their policies to reflect better fuel savings. Descent speeds will be reduced, accepting directs will decline as airlines flight plan around FIRs' that charge higher fees, etc.
It would be a wonderful thing to have controllers and pilots spend a few days together on a training exercise like we used to do but I fear that with todays' "tunnel vision" management style from both camps, we may not achieve much other than perhaps better understanding each others frustrations.
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That's an interesting analogy but you have it wrong. Do you know that the slow pokes in the right lane (or left) are burning a lot less gas than the speed demons? The same thing is starting to happen in aviation as airlines slow things down to reduce fuel consumption. 250 knot descents will become the order of the day so you should get used to it.FamilyGuy wrote:Interesting replies thus far.
Now tell me, how does any of this fit into TODAY's environment where users are scrapping pillows and life jackets to save weight and hence fuel??? Is it really okay for others to burn more fuel so the dodgy old motorhome can block the left lane of the 401 during rush hour? Someone has to be inconvienced for that to happen.
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What do the controllers think of Navajo's? We can keeper in closer than commuters, but most of us stage cool from 20nm back.
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Murray
You are quite right. A hold prior to an approach in LHR is common and expected. It is usually only a couple of turns but works very well for metering the flow. The nice thing about it also is that pilots know ahead of time what to expect. A hold, clean, at a higher altitude is usually preferred over slow, low level vectoring. I am sure it makes the controllers job easier too.
But here is a serious question for you or anyone who works the arrivals, does the in trail spacing on the ILS increase when it is raining? The reason I ask is because landing rolls will increase and therefore increase runway occupancy times. The other day we landed on Rwy 23 with a quartering tailwind during moderate rain and the guy was miffed that we didn't make H2. While I appreciate there is a guy on final, there is only so much that reverse and anti skid will do. So when a tower guy sounds miffed on the radio in a scenario like that, is he pissed at the pilot or the terminal controller for stacking them so close? Is the distance between the OM and the threshold short enough that a difference in Vapp of say 30kts between aircraft, makes it impossible to kill the separation that was there prior to the OM? Had we been 3 tonnes lighter due to not carrying an alternate so far away, perhaps we could have made it but the controller has no idea how much we weigh and therefore how much runway we need. Am I correct to assume that this sort of contingency is built in to the required separation values?
You are quite right. A hold prior to an approach in LHR is common and expected. It is usually only a couple of turns but works very well for metering the flow. The nice thing about it also is that pilots know ahead of time what to expect. A hold, clean, at a higher altitude is usually preferred over slow, low level vectoring. I am sure it makes the controllers job easier too.
But here is a serious question for you or anyone who works the arrivals, does the in trail spacing on the ILS increase when it is raining? The reason I ask is because landing rolls will increase and therefore increase runway occupancy times. The other day we landed on Rwy 23 with a quartering tailwind during moderate rain and the guy was miffed that we didn't make H2. While I appreciate there is a guy on final, there is only so much that reverse and anti skid will do. So when a tower guy sounds miffed on the radio in a scenario like that, is he pissed at the pilot or the terminal controller for stacking them so close? Is the distance between the OM and the threshold short enough that a difference in Vapp of say 30kts between aircraft, makes it impossible to kill the separation that was there prior to the OM? Had we been 3 tonnes lighter due to not carrying an alternate so far away, perhaps we could have made it but the controller has no idea how much we weigh and therefore how much runway we need. Am I correct to assume that this sort of contingency is built in to the required separation values?
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Complex, yes of course speed and acceleration are not the only basis for comparing the quality of a certain aircraft. Why is it that no-one on here is willing to admit that yes some of the designs have flaws. Some are way too underpowered. Why does everyone put an aircraft on a pedestal, just because it has wings. There are some really shitty brand new cars coming off the lot that we can all agree are piles of junk. Why can't the same can be said about aircraft instead of everyone jumping on the person that started the thread calling him a lazy controller.complexintentions wrote: scrambled_legs,
Did you miss the day at training where they explained that not every one of the aircraft you would be handling would be an F18? You may be a pilot, but I highly doubt you've flown the range of aircraft performance you describe. "Outperformed by the first jets made?" By what criteria? Fuel efficiency? I think not. Speed and acceleration are not the primary drivers of aircraft design anymore. But you knew that, right?
I've seen and been a part of some incredible controlling. Where I've been in a bizjet and they push us hard and fast above one of those "slow-movers" you malign to overtake and re-sequence ahead of them. A turboprop where they hang us high on the approach because they know we can use those big disks and get down in a hurry. In a B777 where they know we can't, and they manage the a/c's energy like they're on the flightdeck themselves. It's beautiful. Small delay vectors and speed controlling to have ALL of us "performing at our max speed and running as tightly and efficiently as possible". Even the DC3 we blew by with about 260 knots overtake! The art of controlling to me, seems in just that: finding a way for for dissimilar types to coexist efficiently. If one plane is making 20 others suffer then maybe the controller should DO something about it, not whine. Isn't that the job: controling? Sorry if that frustrates you, but it just seems like such a weird complaint for the occupation.
@Rockie,
I actually don't have to worry about rates of climb or enroute speeds 90% of the time as I work in a tower. That being said I don't live in a bubble and I see what enroute/terminal controllers have to deal with day in day out. I have far more appreciation for what they have to go through than most of the pilots out there.
When a bunch of Bell 206's from the military come in to practice approaches IFR in screaming VFR, it makes me cringe. Sure it's fun watching terminal have jets rub their 3 mile halo with a lighter waving under their ATC licence. Yes they are running things as efficiently as possible but in the big picture, it's not effecient at all. They have to build a hole for 60kt approach that is 3 miles in diameter on a crossing runway. This means that airlines that are barely surviving are being delayed all in the name of some training that could have been conducted exactly the same, but under VFR rules.
I had to hold a Dash 8 short for 8 minutes the other day while a Navajo was on approach on the crossing runway and if I launched him I would have lost sep 8 miles on departure. Oh and it wasn't me bitching about the delay but rather me trying to explain to the pilot who was bitching at me, as to why they're sitting their for no reason. These aren't fun scenarios, their nuisances. We're vectoring planes to timbuktu as they burn needless fuel or sit on the ground for forever to accommodate poor performing aircraft or aircraft operating in areas that they shouldn't be. These are the things that frustrate controllers because they know that while that one pilot is flying with his head in the clouds, 8 others are turning red, pissed at their delays. I can only imagine what a B350 mixing it up with the big boys would be like.
But of course on AvCanada, its just a bunch of controllers bitching, not a bunch of controllers that are tired of explaining to pilots who are bitching on the frequency asking why they can't do what they want, when one aircraft is holding everyone else up.
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+1scrambled_legs wrote:
But of course on AvCanada, its just a bunch of controllers bitching, not a bunch of controllers that are tired of explaining to pilots who are bitching on the frequency asking why they can't do what they want, when one aircraft is holding everyone else up.
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"Complex, yes of course speed and acceleration are not the only basis for comparing the quality of a certain aircraft. Why is it that no-one on here is willing to admit that yes some of the designs have flaws. Some are way too underpowered. Why does everyone put an aircraft on a pedestal, just because it has wings. There are some really shitty brand new cars coming off the lot that we can all agree are piles of junk. Why can't the same can be said about aircraft instead of everyone jumping on the person that started the thread calling him a lazy controller."
I haven't read anyone putting any aircraft on a pedestal here. Maybe we don't bitch about them because there's nothing we can do to change them. We can't bolt on more horsepower. We can't make the wings bigger. We can't make it turn better. It is what it is and bitching about it changes nothing. And then again maybe we just like our airplanes warts and all.
I'm not sorry my airplane doesn't go as fast as he would like. I'm not sorry my airplane doesn't climb as fast as that empty A330 behind me. I'm not sorry I can't climb another 2000' to make his life easier. I deal with stuff without getting my face twisted in a knot over it and so should he.
Maybe we think the controller should adopt the same attitude instead of bitching about what he can't change either.
I haven't read anyone putting any aircraft on a pedestal here. Maybe we don't bitch about them because there's nothing we can do to change them. We can't bolt on more horsepower. We can't make the wings bigger. We can't make it turn better. It is what it is and bitching about it changes nothing. And then again maybe we just like our airplanes warts and all.
I'm not sorry my airplane doesn't go as fast as he would like. I'm not sorry my airplane doesn't climb as fast as that empty A330 behind me. I'm not sorry I can't climb another 2000' to make his life easier. I deal with stuff without getting my face twisted in a knot over it and so should he.
Maybe we think the controller should adopt the same attitude instead of bitching about what he can't change either.
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Rockie, I'm pointing out a piece of shit plane that never should have been created. I'm not bitching to you, you didn't make it you're just stuck flying it. I'm not really bitching at all, just laughing at it and pointing it out. I won't fly on a CRJ because I don't want to get stuck somewhere due maintenance, barely make it off the runway, or have my luggage left behind. It has nothing to do with me being a controller or you being a pilot, it's just a piece of shit plane... can we not point that out as just another guy in the aviation industry? Is it that you're getting paid to drive a Lada and you feel like everyone is laughing at you?
The original post wasn't bitching about anything, just a lighthearted comment about planes that don't keep up. I thought the thread would be a playful joke about planes that are out of the ordinary but then you had to get in there and take it as a slant against pilots and go on about how controllers are a bunch of babies complaining about how difficult their job is.
Just remember this thread the next time your vectored to a 20 mile final or sitting at the hold line for 8 minutes with no planes in sight and please don't bitch to me about it because like you said, there's no point in bitching about what I can't change either.
The original post wasn't bitching about anything, just a lighthearted comment about planes that don't keep up. I thought the thread would be a playful joke about planes that are out of the ordinary but then you had to get in there and take it as a slant against pilots and go on about how controllers are a bunch of babies complaining about how difficult their job is.
Just remember this thread the next time your vectored to a 20 mile final or sitting at the hold line for 8 minutes with no planes in sight and please don't bitch to me about it because like you said, there's no point in bitching about what I can't change either.
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AAhhh, if only we could go back to the days of the Radio Range and DC3's when the controllers and the pilots bought each other beers and B.S.ed about their love life and such mundane stuff.. ( well actually some of it had nothing to do with actual love. 
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Sadly in today's hectic world we have become like rats in a maze and lost sight of the simple things in life.
)Sadly in today's hectic world we have become like rats in a maze and lost sight of the simple things in life.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Amen.
Every pilot that I know loves to go out and have beers and bullshit.
The ones on here on the other hand...
Every pilot that I know loves to go out and have beers and bullshit.
The ones on here on the other hand...
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Scrambled, I'm truly happy that most of my career was spent in a more simple time with far less B.S. to put up with in aviation.
What happened to the days when we could walk into a weather office and talk to briefers who not only knew the weather in their region but would talk to you and give their own opinion of what they thought we would be facing that day...and as to controllers hell we knew most of them by name and it was almost unheard of to have bickering over how we each did our job.
Now everything is rules and regulations dummed down to protect everyone......no fu.kin wonder people get frustrated.
What happened to the days when we could walk into a weather office and talk to briefers who not only knew the weather in their region but would talk to you and give their own opinion of what they thought we would be facing that day...and as to controllers hell we knew most of them by name and it was almost unheard of to have bickering over how we each did our job.
Now everything is rules and regulations dummed down to protect everyone......no fu.kin wonder people get frustrated.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Cat Driver and ScrambledLegs: I like a few brews as well and I too would like to see the return of the "friendly Skies" where we could share the BS and brew. As was noted about...you can't change anything about the performance of the tin in the skies so live with it and get on with the job.
After spending 49 years in the system, I can say I've never complained about the performance of any aircraft and have mixed them up pretty good. I think that the big problem here is that there are too many guys in the system...both controllers and pilots...who don't like their particular jobs.
Hey ., you flying the Husky?????
After spending 49 years in the system, I can say I've never complained about the performance of any aircraft and have mixed them up pretty good. I think that the big problem here is that there are too many guys in the system...both controllers and pilots...who don't like their particular jobs.
Hey ., you flying the Husky?????
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It doesn't help that pilots on airliners are being paid less than Tim Horton's employees in Fort Mac. The glory days are definitely over and that's why I'm sitting on this side of the glass. Sure do miss flying some days though.
Old dog, I don't complain about the CRJs, when I'm working them, only when I or someone I know, has to fly in one of them. If you like your clapped out old Ho, that's great, but when I have to ride it, that's a different story.
Old dog, I don't complain about the CRJs, when I'm working them, only when I or someone I know, has to fly in one of them. If you like your clapped out old Ho, that's great, but when I have to ride it, that's a different story.
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Yup, dropped Bob off at Delta Airpark after our three week trip down to Oshkosh and Toronto and I'm keeping it in the hangar here in Nanaimo....when I get back from NFLD on October 09 I am going to start putting the Whipline amphibs together and Dale will come over and we will put the Husky on them....you will have to go for a ride in it.....I won't be bringing it into Delta because the runway is to rough for the amphibs.Hey ., you flying the Husky?????
By the way the thing is a marvelous flying machine.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Hey .,
If you fly that thing over to Powell River, lunch is on me.....
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If you fly that thing over to Powell River, lunch is on me.....
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Kitty will be back...was just feeling a bit (black) sheepishGilletteNorth wrote:I wonder why it's the airlines and NavCanada always being the ones pushed for cost savings? How about the fuel companies stop charging so freakin much for gas??? Or better yet, take gas and oil companies off the stock market. It's really the stock market speculators causing the price jumps.
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And...if you look at all the investment NC has made in technology the last 12 years...the costs to many users have been reduced through RVSM, northern radar sites, and lately: ADS-B, etc.GilletteNorth wrote:I wonder why it's the airlines and NavCanada always being the ones pushed for cost savings? How about the fuel companies stop charging so freakin much for gas??? Or better yet, take gas and oil companies off the stock market. It's really the stock market speculators causing the price jumps.
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I fly a slow-ass jet, and I'm not sorry at all.
It's a great job, and to be honest I couldn't care less what a controller's opinion is regarding my, or any other aircraft. Why should I?
From what I have gathered, controllers are paid to use their brains to figure out how to mix in different types of traffic, and spend considerable time in training learning how to do exactly that. If that is too difficult, then they should earn a living through beekeeping or perhaps opening a store on Ebay or something.
Even the slow planes have to pay NavCan fees, so I find it somewhat amusing to hear controllers complain about the same aircraft that contribute directly to their paycheques.
It's a great job, and to be honest I couldn't care less what a controller's opinion is regarding my, or any other aircraft. Why should I?
From what I have gathered, controllers are paid to use their brains to figure out how to mix in different types of traffic, and spend considerable time in training learning how to do exactly that. If that is too difficult, then they should earn a living through beekeeping or perhaps opening a store on Ebay or something.
Even the slow planes have to pay NavCan fees, so I find it somewhat amusing to hear controllers complain about the same aircraft that contribute directly to their paycheques.
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Wow... I think no_reply was wise to not try and explain himself. You guys are worse than a bunch of prego ladies when the grocery store runs out of ice cream.
A guy writes about what he likes or dislikes about certain planes. It then devolves into a bunch of pilots slinging mud at controllers saying we're lazy and they are our pay cheque so bow down and worship. I don't know why I keep trying to explain it. Until you get your ice cream, you're not going to bother reading what has been written and continue to bitch about everything.
I'm done with this thread. If a moderator doesn't even take the time to read what was written then I think there's no stopping this. I guess everyone just has a bunch of bent up energy and needs to release it on the first person to not say something.
Next time, do me a favor and quote where any of us said that slow jets shouldn't fly with fast jets because it makes us think. Use the quote button, and rather then put words into our mouths, read wtf was written. If you quote it, then someone with better reading comprehension can explain what is being said rather then have to try and unwrinkle your panties that are obviously tied in a very tight knot.
A guy writes about what he likes or dislikes about certain planes. It then devolves into a bunch of pilots slinging mud at controllers saying we're lazy and they are our pay cheque so bow down and worship. I don't know why I keep trying to explain it. Until you get your ice cream, you're not going to bother reading what has been written and continue to bitch about everything.
I'm done with this thread. If a moderator doesn't even take the time to read what was written then I think there's no stopping this. I guess everyone just has a bunch of bent up energy and needs to release it on the first person to not say something.
Next time, do me a favor and quote where any of us said that slow jets shouldn't fly with fast jets because it makes us think. Use the quote button, and rather then put words into our mouths, read wtf was written. If you quote it, then someone with better reading comprehension can explain what is being said rather then have to try and unwrinkle your panties that are obviously tied in a very tight knot.
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My panties are all in the laundry, so today I'm going commando. You're welcome for the visual
See, I do read every post in a thread before I reply to it. I guess you missed that one.
I agree that I came across as hostile in my previous post. I should have worked harder to come across as more indifferent.
A controller doesn't like a certain plane?
"Umm, ok" is my reply. That's also the same reply I'd use if someone said "The Simpsons is on tv later on" or "That tree over there is really far away". Fortunately for me and the rest of us, a controller's opinion on a particular aircraft has zero bearing in our lives, just like the fact that that tree over there is really far away. We operate the aircraft to the best of our abilities, and controllers direct the aircraft to the best of theirs.
scrambled_legs wrote: If a moderator doesn't even take the time to read what was written...Next time, do me a favor and quote where any of us said that slow jets shouldn't fly with fast jets because it makes us think.
Is that a good enough quote for you?FamilyGuy wrote:If you want to play with the big boys you've got to keep up (closely)..that's all. Taking half a province to level..well that's just plain unacceptable...It's not that the good folks at ATC can't cope - its' that they shouldn't have to
See, I do read every post in a thread before I reply to it. I guess you missed that one.
I agree that I came across as hostile in my previous post. I should have worked harder to come across as more indifferent.
A controller doesn't like a certain plane?
"Umm, ok" is my reply. That's also the same reply I'd use if someone said "The Simpsons is on tv later on" or "That tree over there is really far away". Fortunately for me and the rest of us, a controller's opinion on a particular aircraft has zero bearing in our lives, just like the fact that that tree over there is really far away. We operate the aircraft to the best of our abilities, and controllers direct the aircraft to the best of theirs.
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scrambled_legs
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Re: One controllers likes and dislikes. Ask about your plane.
Well if it's Family Guy you're hammering then...
Seriously though, don't some of the pilots wonder how their aircraft compares to the rest? Did you know that your aircraft has exceptionally poor climb performance? I might be wrong but I think that was what the original poster was getting at. In my mind he certainly wasn't complaining about having to work a mix of traffic.
Seriously though, don't some of the pilots wonder how their aircraft compares to the rest? Did you know that your aircraft has exceptionally poor climb performance? I might be wrong but I think that was what the original poster was getting at. In my mind he certainly wasn't complaining about having to work a mix of traffic.
