PTR

[eterepekio]

Hey guys, quick questions regarding this PTR thing.

First of all. For the CPL. Do you have to just fill in the dual and solo (35 and 30 hrs) of "CPL training" and submit your total time along with your logbook (to verify) or does TC wanna see every flight after your PPL was issued written in the PTR?

Also, I did some training here and there at different places, and built time at different schools. How do I go about putting it all together. Is it a separate PTR for each school? Do I have to go through my logbook and make all the entries for each school and then have the CFI sign it off?

I never had a PTR after my PPL. Is it OK to fill it out myself? I don't want my hours to go to waste, cause they caused me a lot of pain and sweat!

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

[phantom]

Hello:

If you didn't have a PTR since your PPL, then I would probably think that you were simply renting airplanes for the most part at these different FTU's at not working under the guidance of some kind of commerical training program. All training flights require a pre flight briefing with an instructor. Only if the briefings were made and you had been given a training program outline for the CPL would you legally be able to put entries into a CPL PTR. Your flight time however would count as experience... eg... the 200 hours total time and 100 hours PIC time. The 35 hours dual and 30 hours solo requirement for a CPL course is what is going to be questioned. If you did a night rating after your PPL or other applicable advanced training, that should be put into a PTR and used towards the CPL requirement. Hope that helps.

[Ralliart]

phantom is correct, you need to be enrolled in a proper commercial license course in order to satisfy the requirements of the 65 hours required by Transport Canada for the issuance of the CPL.

You can't just look back at certain hours you flew with or without an instructor and enter them in a PTR to count towards the 35 dual / 30 solo.

First, you would indicate to the FTU that you wish to start the commercial course, and they would usually begin a PTR for you. As phantom mentioned, each flight that you intend to use towards the 35 dual / 30 solo commercial training, needs to be briefed and supervised by the FTU (or freelance instructor if you don't use an FTU). This means you cannot credit hours that you simply flew on your own for "fun" when you rented the aircraft or flew in your own private aircraft.

You don't enter every single hour you fly after PPL into the PTR. You should log the hours that are conducted as part of the 65 hour commercial course (under the guidance of the FTU). You can enter the proper solo hours and make any comments you see appropriate to maintain a proper record of your training and progress.

Of course, 100% of the hours you fly count towards the 200 hour minimum requirement for total flight time, regardless if they are done at an FTU or in your own private aircraft at your discretion.

If you transfer from one FTU to another, you should take your PTR with you to the new FTU. The new FTU would continue to keep a record of your training in the original PTR. No FTU or instructor should hold your PTR from you.

[eterepekio]

Thanks.

So I don't need to put every flight in there, they just wanna see the 30/35?

If that's the case, I did a night rating at school "X" and now I am finishing dual and solo "on course CPL" at school "Y" my question is, between X and Y, I was flying at school "Z" just building time.

So my question is:

if I get school X to sign off my night rating and the current school to sign off the rest and they add up to 30 and 35, do I need to show the rest of the hours to TC through a PTR or is the logbook goog enough for that?

[Ralliart]

If you don't have all the 35 dual / 30 solo from the proper commercial course in your PTR, Transport Canada will not issue you a CPL.

Remember, you can't go back in time and add in flights to try and cover the 35 / 30. These hours need to be certified by the FTU that they actually took place as part of the commercial course.

For example, if you began a PTR for the commercial course on July 1, 2007, then no entires for flight time can be made for the commercial course if that flight time was before July 1, 2007 because that would mean it was done before you started the official CPL course. And no rental flights should be in your PTR as mentioned before. Each of the 35 / 30 needs to be supervised by an instructor to ensure the whole idea of commercial training is being adhered to.

Also, if you did your night rating before you officially started the commercial training course, this will affect the training requirements of the commercial course. You don't get the required time for the commercial course reduced because you already have the night rating. You still need to do the 35 dual / 30 solo as part of a commercial course, but you don't have to do any night flying.

You need to talk to your CFI about this, they will be the one who send your license application to TC.

421.30 (7)(vi) Night Flight Time

(A) If an applicant holds a Private Pilot Licence — Aeroplane with a night rating, the total dual instruction and solo night flight time requirements are considered to have been met provided that the 35 hours dual instruction flight time and 30 hours solo flight time requirements are met.
(amended 2006/12/14; previous version)