Where did West Wind Aviation thread go???

[SaskStyle]

I've heard that the pilots at WestWind are meeting this week to form an association.

I wish you all the best luck, and I applaud the efforts.

These are some points to consider though.

1) You are dealing with a hostile management team. That has been proven with their actions.

2) To effectively communicate your concerns, there has to be one representative to actually meet with management. There is no legal protection for that individual. That is a big risk to him/her and a lot for the rest of you to ask of him/her.

3) As an "association", you realistically are no stronger than you are now. It is a symbolic move, and like I said admirable. But business is business and you have no resources to hold management accountable.

4) To follow up on that, what are your plans to hold them accountable in the event one of those in the association is wrongfully dismissed for whatever reason, or one of your negotiated terms are not upheld by management in the future?

5) Do you have plans to write up a contract? What experience do you have with that? When you really think about it, there are ALOT of issues to cover. There's going to be a lot of personal time required. Which means some of you are going to have to volunteer a lot of your personal time. When issues come up (and they will) are you going to have a 24 hr hotline so that you can advise a pilot on his rights? (which by the way, you won't really have because ITS NOT LEGAL)

6) You will have no rights to defend yourselves besides open communication and trust in the other side. Its unfortunate to think in terms of you vs them, but they made that choice for you. Think about in terms of a personal relationship, as soon as trust is violated...it is very difficult to regain. You will be basing everything on good faith by following this road, and management hasn't shown good faith. If you simplify it down, your choice is almost naieve.

7) I imagine that management will support this venture and work well with you to come up with negotiated terms that are satisfactory to you, because it is in their best present interests as well. But as a post above indicated, the JetBlue association is forming a union to protect their interests in the event of CHANGE of management. Whatever gentleman agreements you have with your current employeers will be void with the changing of the guard and this whole scenario will replay itself. You HAVE to think long term even if you don't plan on staying long term. You owe that at least to the long term pilots that will be making the sacrifices as the leaders of your association, as I'm assuming they will be as they are the most experienced.

To summarize...coming together as a group is the right step, but why not have the actual legal protection that the union will provide.

Remember, it becomes your union...they're your rules...and they are enforceable by you.

Think about it in terms of peace of mind. That's worth paying for.

I never thought I'd actually hear myself supporting a union cause, but....you're dealing with a very smart team of management with lawyers and a lot of money and all the power right now. They only have to bend as far as they want to.

Its like the old saying of taking a knife to a gun fight.

But good luck.

[Adora]

Association? What a bunch of crap!! All this is going to do is give a bunch of guys not willing to stand together properly, a fancy name. That's it.

A representative to meet with management..for what? So that you can get yelled at....that's even if they ever show. You have zero protection when you put forward things that you would like to see change. Then guess what, after you voice these opinions, you are now a target!

Pull it together boys and girls. West Wind, was the place to beat one point. Try to get it back to this level.

[flyinthebug]

Adora.. An association, if run properly will work quite well.
You dont need a union to get things done. A union only leaves a bitter taste in managements mouth and then they get difficult. If WWA team members organize an association, and pick someone to be their voice to management.. Im confident that will have a positive impact. I still cant understand how guys that were soooo content and happy at WWA are now disgruntled. I sure must have missed something over the last 4 years as WWA was the op in Sask that we all aspired to. Its a shame they are facing these issues. I just wanted to comment on the association idea as I do NOT see it as a waste of time for either side.
WJ has an association do they not? That talks to management weekly? Pls correct me if im wrong.

Fly safe all, Cheers!
FTB

[SaskStyle]

You're 100% correct FTB....

What WestJet also has is a proven track record and, to quote myself "good faith" with management.

Everyone was relatively happy at WestWind until they started seeing their own get fired with no reason given. At WestJet, like you said, there are regular meetings where problems are discussed and a solution found.

But WestWind's management has shown their true colours by firing those that were trying to do just that.

I agree, as do the majority of people, that unions are not always the right answer.

But they provide real protection. And there are real results. Long term results.

I guarantee that at the first meetings there will positive results. What I also guarantee is that 6 months from now, a year from now, challenges will come. I suppose it is always possible that the owners who have stirred this hornets nest by choosing to fire their employees will turn a new leaf and find new respect for their workers and make honest efforts to maintain their side of the bargain.

That's a big gamble though. And is it really worth it? To be effective, there will be a lot of volunteered time by senior pilots who, like I said will have ZERO authority to protect their members or enforce their hard negotiated terms.

You mentioned a union will leave an bitter taste in managements mouth.

Sir, the owners of WestWind made the choice to take the hostile road. They brought this on themselves.

I would love to be convinced wrong on this point. But you can't enter into a gentleman's agreement when the other side are far from gentlemen.

[Liberator]

Adora.. An association, if run properly will work quite well.
You dont need a union to get things done. A union only leaves a bitter taste in managements mouth and then they get difficult. If WWA team members organize an association, and pick someone to be their voice to management.. Im confident that will have a positive impact. I still cant understand how guys that were soooo content and happy at WWA are now disgruntled. I sure must have missed something over the last 4 years as WWA was the op in Sask that we all aspired to. Its a shame they are facing these issues. I just wanted to comment on the association idea as I do NOT see it as a waste of time for either side.
WJ has an association do they not? That talks to management weekly? Pls correct me if im wrong.

Fly safe all, Cheers!
FTB

Flyinthebug, I respect that you would like to see an improvement here. We would all like to see an improvement, not only with this particular situation, but our industry as a whole.

Ladies and Gentlemen, it is paramount that we are well aware of a possible bitter taste in management’s mouth…???

We don’t want them to think that we are professionals here, protecting not only our interests, our passengers, but those of our chosen career.

It is of no coincidence that those that were let go, were the same pilots that spoke for an improvement for their entire pilot group and industry, safety and labor wise. Safety and Labor go hand in hand. This apparently left an undesired taste in someone’s mouth.

Accountability folks. It does work. For management and employees.

[Carrier]

I put the comments below on the JetBlue thread but have repeated them here because they may be relevant. Are there some sayings about not throwing the baby out with the bath water and do not cut one's nose off to spite one's face? Please ponder on the options and try to select those that will have long term benefits for both the company and the employees. Remember it is not in the present or former employees' interests to damage a company as those car workers have done!

"GM, Ford and Chrysler employees all have unions and have regularly gone on strike. What have they achieved in the long term? How are your personal and pension/RRSP investments in those three companies doing? Does nobody learn from other peoples’ mistakes?
In most industries if you are not happy at one employer then the answer is to move to another. All unions do is destroy this option with their “seniority” protection scam and shield the incompetent and malingerers from their deservedly being fired. I say scam because true seniority comes from merit, not length of service. An accountant with ten years experience can move to another accounting firm and start at the ten years experience level. Pilots at the airline level are precluded from doing this. Pilots have brought the present mess upon themselves. The answer is to scrap unions and return to true mobility of labour. Airlines that lose staff would soon investigate why and take remedial action, as companies do in other industries."

[officejet]

Flyinthebug.

Where do I start.

I'll go point form so even you can understand.

1)

You dont need a union to get things done. A union only leaves a bitter taste in managements mouth and then they get difficult.

The management should have a bitter taste in their mouth because they fired pilots with no reason. Wake da f**k up.

2)

If WWA team members organize an association, and pick someone to be their voice to management.. Im confident that will have a positive impact.

Based on what. Management's proven track record to listen to their employees and take their concerns seriously? I'm sure that those that were fired are glad that you are confident that more talking would have a positive impact. Wake da f**k up.

3)

I still cant understand how guys that were soooo content and happy at WWA are now disgruntled. I sure must have missed something over the last 4 years as WWA was the op in Sask that we all aspired to.

Management is firing senior pilots for no cause. Wake da f**k up.

4)

Its a shame they are facing these issues. I just wanted to comment on the association idea as I do NOT see it as a waste of time for either side.

Yes it's a shame. Finally you said something intelligent. But as far as an association??? WAKE DA F**K UP!!!!!!

[xsbank]

Canada Labour Code
PART I: INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
DIVISION I: BASIC FREEDOMS
Employee freedoms
8. (1) Every employee is free to join the trade union of their choice and to participate in its lawful activities.

TRADE UNION!

[Liberator]

Carrier, thank you for thinking we are comparable to Jet Blue, Chrysler, Ford and GM. I drive a GM, how about you, the similarities between West Wind and an auto plant will probably end there…

Does the CEO at Jet Blue yell at you in meetings in these above mentioned places?

How about Ford, are they making sure that you have to answer your phone at any time of the day or night?

Is that silly GM splitting your duty day again for extenuating circumstances down at the auto plant?

Hey, maybe we can get a quick Express Air flight in; we will even split your duty day for you??

For Chrysler sakes folks!!!

[flyinthebug]

Liberator..

I sincerely sympatize with your situation. Is the new SMS not in place to address these major concerns? Im basing my above opinion with some faith that WWA management is adhering to the strict new standards within the SMS program. I conceed that I have spent much of my career in management BUT I have always had an open door to my team members and their suggestions and even demands. I also know that JC would confirm that the SMS at his airline is always a priority when the SMS manager calls and requires anything, its a priority to management to get it to him. Is WWA that much diffrent?

I did not mean to belittle the problems WWA is facing and again, my positive opinion of them is based souly on what I knew of them directly as recent as 4 years ago. Im sad to hear things have gone so far south in such a short time. I was informed in PM that the 703/704 CP is the same gentleman that was there when I had business dealings with WWA and he is a very good man and im certain even officejet would understand that. Im sure he is listening to the problems with the 705 level of ops at WWA but im also sure his hands are somewhat tied to do anymore then im sure he is doing.. which would be all he could do for his pilots. Thats the man I know him to be.

Its because WWA has management like him that I have some faith that perhaps an association would have worked. *shakes head* I cant believe management has changed so dramatically there in such a short time. I guess i should wake da f*ck up?
Either way, sorry to the crew at WWA and i hope u find resolve to your internal issues asap and by peaceful and well thought out means.

I just wanted to mention in defence of carrier.. his point I believe was not comparing professional pilots to line workers at GM or Ford.. simply that unions as a whole in most if not all industries has proven tried and untrue. Unions have failed repeatedly over the years and thats just my humble opinion. If you work hard and give your best efforts at your place of employment, believe me when I say that management will notice. But thats a diffrent topic. It would appear that WWA management is not listening and thats the hurdle to overcome.

Best of luck to the entire team at WWA.
Fly safe all, Cheers

[officejet]

FTB...

I stand humbled....

I seem to have misdirected some fire.

[ifr]

Adora.. An association, if run properly will work quite well.
You dont need a union to get things done. A union only leaves a bitter taste in managements mouth and then they get difficult. If WWA team members organize an association, and pick someone to be their voice to management.. Im confident that will have a positive impact.
I just wanted to comment on the association idea as I do NOT see it as a waste of time for either side.

Fly safe all, Cheers!
FTB

It is my understanding that the pilots let go were actually the 'someone who was being the voice to management'. They were fired. Now, if you call that a positive impact, I would beg to differ. Now, incidentally, how would having an association have helped them? Will those former coworkers, who will supposedly now be in an association, act any differently? I don't think so and management is betting their bank on that.

I can just see how the remaining pilots will all line up to be the next 'voice to management'. The poor guy put out there may as well be handed a blindfold and a cigarette before he goes in front of the 'firing squad', I mean, management.

[flyinthebug]

officejet.. ty.

ifr.. I again point to SMS. I know as a previous base mgr for an airline larger then WWA that we had very strict rules when it came to SMS. I was told directly by the DFO that if our SMS manager needed something, I was to immediately tend to it. Yes, even if I was busy doing a charter quote or whatever. SMS was designed as a system to address the safety concerns of team members that wernt normally heard?

ifr, I am at a loss as to why these pilots were let go. That is why I cannot make any further (informed) comment. Do you know for a fact that these pilots were let go for attempting to confront management about safety concerns? Im asking a question, pls dont attack me for it.
It just seems to me rather "odd" that a management team that has been together for a LONG time for the most part, have now suddenly become this team of people that have little or no regard for the very pilots they once did have regard and even admiration for (in your own words they are highly respected pilots)
That said, sometimes these things do occur and again, I revert back to SMS..Why were these pilots not shielded by SMS? Can anyone tell me if SMS is being respected at their companies or this one in particular? Thats the one concern I expressed when SMS was in discussion stages was .. when a "smaller" air service gets a green light to be their own police force.. it can create problems and it seems from what im reading here from informed ppl such as ifr and Liberator that MAY be the case here?

Either way, I wish WWA and all its team members fast resolve to the issues, espically the safety concerns!

Fly safe all
Cheers

[SaskStyle]

I put the comments below on the JetBlue thread but have repeated them here because they may be relevant. Are there some sayings about not throwing the baby out with the bath water and do not cut one's nose off to spite one's face? Please ponder on the options and try to select those that will have long term benefits for both the company and the employees. Remember it is not in the present or former employees' interests to damage a company as those car workers have done!

"GM, Ford and Chrysler employees all have unions and have regularly gone on strike. What have they achieved in the long term? How are your personal and pension/RRSP investments in those three companies doing? Does nobody learn from other peoples’ mistakes?
In most industries if you are not happy at one employer then the answer is to move to another. All unions do is destroy this option with their “seniority” protection scam and shield the incompetent and malingerers from their deservedly being fired. I say scam because true seniority comes from merit, not length of service. An accountant with ten years experience can move to another accounting firm and start at the ten years experience level. Pilots at the airline level are precluded from doing this. Pilots have brought the present mess upon themselves. The answer is to scrap unions and return to true mobility of labour. Airlines that lose staff would soon investigate why and take remedial action, as companies do in other industries."

I'm sorry Carrier, but that makes zero sense to me. You have to explain. Mobility of labour? Airlines losing staff?

WestWind FIRED their senior pilots. They are not concerened with loss of staff.

Canadian airline companies (including WestWind) are implementing legaly sketchy training bonds on their pilots to retain their staff.

The problem is not, and never has been a lack of mobility of labour. I really don't know what part of Canada you started your flying career at...but if you've never moved from one company to another to further your career, you are one of the lucky few.

Unions in Canadian aviation are few and far between.

You say pilots have brought his on themselves. That I agree with. But your reasoning I don't. Pilot's have brought this on themselves because of our lack of unity. Not because of it.

[ifr]

ifr, I am at a loss as to why these pilots were let go. That is why I cannot make any further (informed) comment. Do you know for a fact that these pilots were let go for attempting to confront management about safety concerns? Im asking a question, pls dont attack me for it.

Either way, I wish WWA and all its team members fast resolve to the issues, espically the safety concerns!

Fly safe all
Cheers

If I am to understand correctly - and I could be wrong/misinformed - they were let go without any previous 'discussions' with management or any face-to-face meeting - just a registered dismissal letter delivered to their home and giving no reasons. Services no longer required apparently ... but no reason why.

I do know that there were meetings with employees and management to discuss issues - as is generally the case in many companies - and these individuals were representing their coworkers and their concerns. The rest seems to be the fallout.
Perhaps the Business Leader of the Year Award recipient was concerned about losing that coveted title if a union or other organized group became part of the picture. After all - often business and unions are like oil and water. However, seems like PotashCorp members did well recently so don't think they are unhappy with their membership.

As you said - fly safe. And, while we're at it, say a few prayers for those lost in the B.C. accident over the weekend. Another tragedy for all the families affected.

[SaskStyle]

...It just seems to me rather "odd" that a management team that has been together for a LONG time for the most part, have now suddenly become this team of people that have little or no regard for the very pilots they once did have regard and even admiration for (in your own words they are highly respected pilots)
That said, sometimes these things do occur and again, I revert back to SMS..Why were these pilots not shielded by SMS? Can anyone tell me if SMS is being respected at their companies or this one in particular? Thats the one concern I expressed when SMS was in discussion stages was .. when a "smaller" air service gets a green light to be their own police force.. it can create problems and it seems from what im reading here from informed ppl such as ifr and Liberator that MAY be the case here?
Either way, I wish WWA and all its team members fast resolve to the issues, espically the safety concerns!

Fly safe all
Cheers

You just reinforced my point earlier FTB...currently there is no shield for pilots.

Yes if it is a safety issue, SMS can provide an avenue to which you as a pilot can take your concerns.

But beyond safety lies lifestyle. And yes maybe back in the day there was an understanding that as pilots you were just expected to do your part for the company and appreciate having a job. However, I would argue that the company appreciated your work equally as well and you were rewarded in kind.

Without getting too sidetracked...

SMS is in place to create an environment where pilots and every other employee can bring forward safety concerns without repercussions. It is, however, a complete shift in philosophy for many companies. I don't know if that's the case here.

But what if your concern lies outside of safety? What do you do then? If you have no quality of life...that's not necessarily a safety issue protected by SMS...but it sure is an issue you'd like to bring up to management...

And then...well....since there's nothing protecting you....

You find yourself with all sorts of free time.

[Liberator]

Its because WWA has management like him that I have some faith that perhaps an association would have worked. *shakes head* I cant believe management has changed so dramatically there in such a short time.

Flyinthebug, you are correct sir.

The CP’s are not the issue here, the issue is that the CP’s are not able to fully do their jobs as they would like to as legislated to do so under the CAR’s.

[MTCE]

Flyinthebug,
SMS at WWA is a joke. The owner/Ops. Mgr. is in charge of the program!!
Conflict of intrest??

[Trippin @350]

From the sound of where this thread is progressing, there is a resonance of management's accountability. Having acquired those many business awards, WW must be a great company. They provide a safe, rewarding, and friendly work environment. They also provide outstanding yields for owners/shareholders. The confusion for me is why has the pilot group gone out seeking union protect. Other than the many points given on this thread, I have yet to get real specific problems within the Flight Ops.

Having said that. As I question why the pilots require representation, I realize that having fired loyal long standing employees to protect WW from unionism, makes me compare them to Wal-Mart. Clearly the lowest paid pilots will get a raise, especially since they are well below poverty, and many questionable practices or gray areas will be cleared up in a Collective Agreement. I was reading the tread regarding Fast Air and although they are the extreme, I fear that Commercial Pilots as a whole require a governing body, better than Transport, to ensure that we are not forced to break CARS, etc. When I had 200hrs and got my first job I could give a shit about anything other than reaching the 1000hr mark. Then I wanted and ATPL. Then Turbine Captain. However, as I enjoy this position I now seek to pay off bills and look for a better quality of life (ie. rent apartment - alone!). The point to all of this is that as I achieved experience my outlook on my career changed. When you start you are loyal to the company for experience, hence you are paid 20k/year. As your career progresses, and hopefully your social life, you ended up married and a father and your mindset is well beyond hours and type ratings.

I suspect that since WW is the primary aviation company in Saskatchewan, many pilots find themselves in a position where they either want to stay there or just can't leave due to other factors in life. This brings me back to my management point. If WW is overly concerned with revenue and shareholders, they forget who built up their company. As someone mention here, it was all about the employees. Given the expansion that has happened, I suspect that this company looks for every and any opportunity to generate revenue. So to shareholders its an ATM. To employees a job. To pilots an opportunity to get 3000 hrs and go to WestJet or AirCanada. I fear that this trend is dangerous for our industry because as pilots we become nothing more than prostitutes.

If the largest company in Saskatchewan gets unionized that would dramatically increase work conditions, pay, and safety for Aviation in Saskatchewan. A great beginning for our industry but our group as a whole has to create a profession that is protected by a single voice. Further, we require a greater governing body where we can regulate ourselves and reduce the dependence on Transport Canada.

The JetBlues and westJETs out there use a different format for representation. Even Air Canada calls itself an Association. However, the truth is that in either case there are elected officials who represent all sides and create the ground work for their work contracts. I wonder if WW pilots would offer up the time to do these volunteer jobs, given that most just want to hammer out 3000hrs and split.

If WW guys/gals seek to represent themselves in an Association, it will fail. There is no framework. It's just another pilot meeting where you whine about things, copy minutes, and find 3 months later the answer is "NO". If you seek unionization, like others have said, you have legal protection. Also, you join a structured organization where your appointed members (from all fleet types) can table issues that your union can address with management. This seems more productive to me than just another pilot meeting. This is also why management is so scared that they fired a bunch of guys and are promising everything under the sun. If something wasn't available 6months ago but miraculously is now, ask yourself why? Better yet, pretend you are a manager (who is looking out for the share holders) and ask yourself what is cheaper? Think like a manager. Think what is cheaper.

[flyinthebug]

trippin.. very well put together post! TY. I do understand now that the issues are beyond the scope of the SMS manager and someone also posted that the Ops Mgr is also the SMS manager. I agree completely that would be a conflict of intrest at very least.

It would seem the problems at WWA are quite real and all we can do is hope the team there is able to find the right solution to their problem.
FYI.. WWA is about half the size of Transwest Airlines.. but always used to carry a much better reputation then any sask air service. When WWA can have these problems, its truly a real concern throughout our industry. Gas is the highest price in history (despite the recent decline that IS only temporary), insurance costs and maint costs are through the roof and the Ops Mgr at WWA is the SMS manager too? How can TC allow this and APPOINT him? Its no wonder WWA team members are pissed.. I would be too. His job is to direct traffic and then count the beans at the end of the day.. I doubt sincerely an Ops Mgr with SMS manager title too will ever address any lifestyle concerns let alone certain safety ones as well. You have a 2nd HSI, go fly the damn plane! Thats what concerns me about an Ops Mgr with SMS manager privledges. Scary!

Sorry to all the crew there and I do hope you find resolve or at least find a good place to move on to.

Fly safe all.

[woodyITT]

As far as unions go guys and girls, and before we knock them to much, talk to people who are in them. I have never worked for one and normally would stick up for the private sector. However, I have found talking to people I know who are nurses, teachers, police officers, firefighters, Sask Gov. medivac division, Northern Air Ops ( out of LaRonge) Sasktell, Sask power etc... and there a lots more too. I realize West Jet doesn't have one and not every company will or should. I don't work at WWA therefore I can't say if a union would benefit them or not.

The vast majority of people who work in the industries above that I have been exposed to, have positive things to say about the unions. They agree with them, pay the small monthly fee associated with them and hey, life is good. If I am not mistaken I do believe both Potash Corp. and the almighty Cameco have them as well.

Are our jobs as pilots not as important as the ones listed above? Why have those industries been privvy. to unions for years and not us? Yes, it is our own faults, the market always seems to be flooded with new people wanting to climb the ladder and pay any price to do it. Most of us are a bit guilty.

If you are convinced that unions are a bad thing and bad ideas and do bad things to companies, then thats fine, it's your opinion but I do strongly believe that unless you have worked in a union you don't really have a right to say they are not effective and create more damage than good.

If WWA has grown that much in the last while, maybe it would be a positive step.

And wow I can't believe the ops MNGR. is the SMS person. Isn't the ops MNGR. one of the owners of the company as well? Can anyone confirm that? Is the Ops mngr. who is the SMS person, also the owner of the company? That could be a disaster, no wonder so much funny stuff is going on there.

[Trippin @350]

Second that. Ops Manager is SMS + Owner! Oh my I worked for a company where one of the owners was maintenance. Like this, not the most ideal situation.

[Pratt]

SMS has to do with safety issues, nothing to do with quality of life or other things along that line like days off or the per diems you get, that is where your union or association come into play.

If you file a report through the SMS and you do not get your legitimate concerns addressed then you should go to TC and have them follow up on it. From an instance that I know of that got things moving pretty quickly.

Best of luck.

[xsbank]

I have been in a couple of unions and they have their good and bad sides, but one thing they have plenty of is protection. They have lawyers and professional negotiators and the weight of Canadian labour laws behind them. An association does not. Do you have a lawyer available who can represent you if you have an accident? Violation? Unjust dismissal? The unionized do. Yes there are compromises, all negotiation is a process of giving something up to gain something, but companies deserve the unions they get, and you guys will have no protection whatsoever if you do not unionize.

Those guys who were fired without cause have redress, if they wish, through Labour Canada or through the courts. Management does NOT always hold all the cards.

"Unjust Dismissal – Steps You Can Take
If you are a federally regulated employee, Part III of the Canada Labour Code protects you from unjust dismissal.

The Code protects all employees who have completed at least one year of continuous employment with the same employer and who are not covered by a collective agreement. Managers, however, are excluded: contact the Labour Program directly if you have questions about your management status.

Unfortunately, the Code cannot help you if you have lost your job because of economic circumstances, such as a lack of work or a change in assignments. Despite this fact, your employer cannot arbitrarily fire you and then claim it was due to economic reasons: if you feel your dismissal was unjustified, you can still file a complaint with the Labour Program and your employer will have to demonstrate that you were let go for valid economic reasons. Please contact the Labour Program to file a complaint.

Unjust dismissal may also include cases of “constructive dismissal” where your employer:

has not directly fired you, but has failed to comply with your contract of employment in some major respect
has unilaterally and substantially changed the terms of employment
has expressed an intention to do either of these
Sometimes, an employee may feel compelled to resign rather than accept the new conditions of employment. This would constitute a case of constructive dismissal. If you believe you are involved in such a case, you must clearly indicate to your employer within a short period of time, that you do not accept the new conditions of employment.

But constructive dismissal does not apply to all cases where an employee quits his job. Contact the Labour Program if you are unsure of your situation."

[Liberator]

An Association is great; however it will only be as strong as its weakest link.

With a Union, you will have access to support, actual legal support at all times.

A collective agreement to follow. Collective, between you and the company. Subsequently both parties will be mandated to follow the agreement. No surprises. No benefits arbitrarily taken away because "one" individual has decided it would be best..

Your career, you and your peers negotiate the rules. Not someone in management looking out for their individual share value.

Black and White. No gray areas.



Check out this link : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

www.workinglife.org/wiki/Union+vs.+Nonu ... es+(2004)



With a downturn entering our industry, are you content with the status quo?

I like the sound of West Wind Aviation Pilots Association. Your union built by you...