Adventure air

[hydraulic fluid]

They have sold the hanger in St. Andrews to Northways,no money to be made on the skeds to the reserves so they are going back to charters out of Lac du bonnet

[floatflyingguy]

so i have heard... however, i wouldnt necessarily say there is no money in the skeds

[beaverman]

Does anybody know if Northway is keeping any of Adventure airs pilots?

[hydraulic fluid]

sure there is no money in those skeds,to many companies fighting for the small amount of pass.

[805ITT]

I love it. Year after year somebody comes and tries to take a piece of the pie. They come and go but Northway still provides the service to that part of Manitoba. Why compete with a company that has been around serving the locals for nearly 50 years. Who's next?

[floatflyingguy]

805ITT has it exactly right. There is obviously money in the skeds if you can make a run of it for half a century and counting. I have to disagree with hydraulicfluid about the amount of Pax. if youre a 703 operator there is plenty of business, sure there are slow days now and again, but that is the nature of the aviation industry for the most part. As far as the Pax go, i guess they like going with someone they know, trust, and get great service. Am i wrong?

[hydraulic fluid]

Yes Northway has been around for years and does a great job,as saiid earlier there is not enough pass. around to make a second or third sked pay.Northway has the mail contract that helps alot.Adventure had a very expensive year with the otter accident,the pelican hitting the caravan wing,a engine due for overhaul in the caravan.With no hull insurance on the two accidents it gets expensive repairing the aircraft.I strongly believe if all operators stay in thier areas of expertise and in thier own backyards they will all do well.Its when they get greedy and see an operator making money they all jump in,splitting the pie.Now both companies are making less and have to cut costs.This leads to less money spent on pilots,maininence,etc.

[jamesbay]

Big advantage when the companies like Northway start over again with little or no over-head, that's a no-brainer, start from the word go like most haven't had the priveledge of doing and see what happens.

[jamesbay]

805itt, I don't think your as secure as you would like to think.

[jamesbay]

Hats off totally to Adventure for knowing when to bow out, they will obvviously be around for a long time.

[jamesbay]

Floatflyinguy...read your contradicting posts there yes-man.

[beaverman]

Adventure Air didn't bow out.They could of stayed and stayed there for along time.Other decisions made them decide to go .Adventure Air will be here long after Northway's long gone. 805ITT and floatflyingguy you guys sure sound like northway employees. Enjoy your warm hanger. All the best to Northway.

[jamesbay]

yeah, in terms of bowing out I should clarify smart enough to know when the "gettin' is good".

[805ITT]

4 companies in the last 8 years have tried going to ZGR charging rediculously low 99 dollar fares, get the buisness initially, but by year 3 they realize how hard the winters are and they slowly go elsewhere. Right now I would say it's pretty balanced. WAM's got a pretty good piece, Bluewater has theres, Adventure will be around for a long time with all of there lodges and outcamps. Everyones sitting at table eating a nice piece of the pie, now don't get greedy.

Adventure Air will be here long after Northway's long gone

Let me clarify that I don't think Adventure Air is going anywhere. The ownership seems like a good businessman. Northway has a longer history though, by about ten times, so I don't think it's going to be long gone anytime soon. Unless the bosses decide to sell and get a nice home in Barbados, I'll bring the extra blenders

805ITT and floatflyingguy you guys sure sound like northway employees

Actually ex-Northway employee and I would recommend the job to anyone starting out. I feel pretty secure.

[hydraulic fluid]

850 tt.....the post was talking about skeds,blue water does not do skeds,not sure about wam

[805ITT]

Your right, it is about skeds. Bolton and Adventure were both charter companies with good lodges but decided to get into the sked buisness because they thought they could make a good go of it. But for what ever reason they decided to go elsewhere. If the charter companies stuck to there own backyard or what has made them successful in the past prices would have increased and everyone would be making good money. Instead Northway had to compete against these flash in the pan operators, in for a few years then along comes the next contender.

[805ITT]

Hydraulic Fluid, after rereading your posts I feel that I owe you royalties for retyping pretty much your same post.

It is actually quite interesting that when talking about skeds to reserves, I know a little off of thread topic, you pretty much have to have a monopoly. Nobody competes against each other. The Big P runs most of MB, Wasaya has NW Ont, Mission Impossible does there own thing now that NAC is gone, Calm has the North.

[amphib]

Hmmmm, interesting stuff. Northway was flying Adventure Air's Super Caravan last week. Where did the Caravan FKLR go?

Was it one of Adventure Air's navajo's that went down in Gimli or red Lake with one engine seized? (QZH)

It was kind of funny how Adventure pushed Northway out of the ex Sowind hangar last month; then 3 weeks later, Adventure Air is based of of Lac Du Bonnet and Northway is back in their 'old' hangar.

There's alot of pieces to this puzzle.