Canada court says fatties are entitled to 2nd seat for free

[Canoehead]

I'm 5'10" and 275lbs...I'm sure if I went to the doctor tomorrow, he/she would tell me I'm obese. Am I obese enough to get a second seat for free? I'm not sure...but I'd love to find out.

That being said, I fit in a normal sized seat and the normal seat belt fits around me. However I'd sure love a second seat next to me to put my laptop/DVD player so the jackass in front of me can't recline onto my screen

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what the "average" weight per passenger used by the airlines is now?

Jeff @ YEG

At our operation, average weight domestic is 178lbs, and transborder is 175lbs. Those are the 'summer' weights, in effect until mid-December. There's 2 feet of snow outside my house today, and the temperature is -13, but we use the summer numbers still assuming everyone is still wearing/packing shorts and flip-flops.

So Jeff, you are apparently 100lbs overweight

What a frikin' circus this industry can be at times

[crazy_aviator]

For jeff w yeg , " so the jackass in front of me reclines his seat back into my laptop " Seat backs were meant to recline for everyones pleasure, have YOU ever reclined your seat back ?? Its like the selfish clod who says "asshole" to the guy who is 3 miles slower than him on the highway and "idiot" to the guy who is 5 miles faster than him on the highway ! Boy, we have come a long way, havent we ! In Canada, We reward the uncontrolling indulgents, fools and inept and selfish and sinners and punish the righteous and hard working ,, And Canadians are doing NOTHING about it , either personally or collectively and WILL NOT either ( Read your bible )

[Cat Driver]

( Read your bible )

There is stuff in the bible about reclining seat backs?

[Human Factor]

The peak of human evolution has come and gone I'm afraid. The dumbing down of society is Job 1 with the weak being coddled while the strong are worked (and taxed) to death. Free money to mouth-breathers and imbeciles so they can lie around the house all day eating fast food and making future welfare recipients while the top 10% have heart attacks on the job from stress and hard work. Good thing Canada is a welfare state or it would be gone in another couple of generations. Makes me wonder though where the gov't will get their income from once the entire population is on welfare or disability.

[What Flaps?]

If you can get out of jail free, why not give them a free seat!

Too fat for prison, criminal is free to go


From Thursday's Globe and Mail



MONTREAL, TORONTO — An obese inmate known as Big Mike is heading home early from a Montreal jail, as it appears that size does matter behind bars.

Michel Lapointe, who was imprisoned on drug-trafficking and conspiracy charges, walked out of Bordeaux Jail on Tuesday night after winning early parole – granted in part due to the health difficulties caused by his 400-plus-pound girth.

Normally, he would have had to go to a halfway house. But Mr. Lapointe was rejected by two such institutions because they said they couldn't accommodate someone his size.

So he got to go home.

“In the end, some might say he got off easy,” Mr. Lapointe's lawyer, Clemente Monterosso, said in an interview Wednesday. “But he didn't choose to be morbidly obese. This man is a colossus.”

The lawyer said the 37-year-old Mr. Lapointe suffered in jail because of his weight. His mattress was about a foot too narrow for his body, he couldn't squeeze his legs under the prison tables at mealtimes, and seating didn't provide support for his back.

“His health deteriorated in detention from lack of exercise, bad prison food and poor sleep,” Mr. Monterosso said. Mr. Lapointe was forced to take a lot of medication, he added.

Mr. Lapointe's weight had already come into play when he was sentenced in May. A judge reduced his prison term by six months because of the weight-related hardships endured during his 20 months of detention after his arrest.

In its decision this week, the Quebec Parole Board cited Mr. Lapointe's health – along with factors such as good behaviour, his non-violent crime and the support of his wife and mother – in justifying early release.

“You have been incarcerated for over 25 months and your prison conditions are difficult because of the state of your health,” the commissioners wrote.

Mr. Lapointe has filed a complaint with the Quebec Human Rights Commission.

“His rights were violated because he wasn't given the tools to rehabilitate himself,” Mr. Monterosso said. “He deserved to be treated with dignity and humanity.”

During his time in jail, Mr. Lapointe's weight increased to around 430 pounds from 300-plus when he was arrested. His lawyer blamed the weight gain on greasy food.

Amazing other prisoners didn't have the same problem

[Snowgoose]

What happens when the plane's full?

Does lunch box get to bump a passenger?

Does he/she have to wait until there is an open seat on a flight?

Does spill-over-seat go ahead of commuting personnel?

[BibleMonkey]

( Read your bible )

There is stuff in the bible about reclining seat backs?

Oh-sure; ole Eli was the one that started the reclining seat for heavy people industry:

1 Samuel 4:18
When he mentioned the ark of God, Eli fell backward off his chair by the side of the gate. His neck was broken and he died, for he was an old man and heavy. He had led Israel forty years.

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couldn't resist....


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While I don't disagree entirely with some of the sentiment expressed in this thread-and I am pretty far from ever being politically correct, just to play devils advocate:

I think that it's possible that too often -that is, almost always-obese peoples' physical state is always ascribed to being a result of some character defect ( greeedy appetite, whatever )-when a certain percentage ( I have no idea what the number is ) do in fact suffer from some physical, medically measurable genetic defect or condition that is the prime cause of their physical condition. Part of this I know about-there is some brain ( part? chemical? can't remember) that is physically weaker or absent in some fat dudes brains-the part that let's us normal people know ( by nuero-chemical transmission of a feeling of being full after we eat ) -it just don't kick in-or is physically absent in some people. There's other medically-recognizable ( physical ) reasons for obesity .

So-in considering those cases - how do we fairly separate that portion of 'medically caused' obese people from character-flawed - (for lack of a more accurate term)?

That is-we have ramps and stuff for more socially acceptable physical handicaped ( one legged guy caused by diabetes, whatever ) and are less likely to consider fat dudes/ladies-that is, advertising ( slim fashion model industry ) have made it socially acceptable to ' make fun of ' the obese ( or automatically ascribe their condition to merely an alterable character trait )-and thus treat this handicap differently.

How would we separate/differentiate between these groups of obese individuals-and should we charge more to those demanding individuals getting around in wheelchairs?
What if a guys stupidity put him in a wheelchair?

Dunno.

[crazy_aviator]

Thanks bible monkey for saving my bacon,,,,NOW, I can say , laughingly , that YES, there is a verse in the good book Keep up the good work CAT !!

[crazy_aviator]

What am i saying !! I DONT eat bacon ( Me thinks it will reduce my life expectency and make me one of those folks who need 2 seats on an airplane !!)
Bible monkey , have you heard of generational curses and the weakoning of the human body because of foolishness and not adhering to wise living/ eating habits ?

[Cat Driver]

As I recall the bible not only gives us guidance but gives it for both heterosexuals and homosexuals.

....thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife nor his Ox nor his ass....

[BibleMonkey]

What am i saying !! I DONT eat bacon ( Me thinks it will reduce my life expectency and make me one of those folks who need 2 seats on an airplane !!)
Bible monkey , have you heard of generational curses and the weakoning of the human body because of foolishness and not adhering to wise living/ eating habits ?

Oh sure, but Pffft...it's all twaddle. I eat a pound of bacon every week, smoke a pack a day, drink whiskey like a pig, screw anything that moves-and, I'm in pretty good shape-I think I look far younger than my 29 years, as you can see:

[crazy_aviator]

Yes , you do look sweet ( not to offend ya know lol )

[rigpiggy]

As I recall the bible not only gives us guidance but gives it for both heterosexuals and homosexuals.

....thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife nor his Ox nor his ass....

Don't forget leviticus, if you eat shellfish I am supposed to bury you in the dirt and throw rocks till your head falls off


Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

[richardcgvyr]

Wonder how many seats this person need

You Tube "half ton mum"

[ehbuddy]

If its a medical issue I can have sympathy for the individual however if its a matter of just cheeseburgers, chips and being a couch potato then I do not agree with the ruling.

Since I am slim and trim and take care of myself can I have a free seat?

[Siddley Hawker]

..thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife nor his Ox nor his ass....

That about covers adultery and bestiality.

Who was it said the law is an ass, Shakespeare? It appears it's not only an ass, but a fat one at that.

[scrambled_legs]

The National Center for Health statistics has been tracking America’s obesity problem for over four decades. The following statistics support the growing concern regarding the obesity problem in America.

-- Between 1962 and the year 2000, the number of obese Americans grew from 13% to an alarming 31% of the population.
-- 63% of Americans are overweight with a Body Mass Index (BMI) in excess of 25.0.
-- 31% are obese with a BMI in excess of 30.0.
-- Childhood obesity in the United States has more than tripled in the past two decades.
-- According to the U.S. Surgeon General report obesity is responsible for 300,000 deaths every year.

So depending on what they classify as a "fattie", passenger loads just went down 30-60%.

[bob sacamano]

I don't understand why I wouldn't be able to move my seat back if someone has a laptop behind me?

[rd1331]

Everyone who is over 6' tall should now go to the Human Rights Tribunal and fight for automatic first class upgrades for the leg room. If I was tall I would do it. There is absolutely nothing you can do about how tall you are, yet there is about how obese you are. So should be a slam dunk case. I have a couple very tall friends and its like a comedy routine watching them try to pry themselves into airplane seats and out of them.

This is just getting stupid. So now should skinny people be able to get into first class if fat and possibly tall people do because we are getting discriminated against because we are skinny?

[rd1331]

The health system should have to pay for this, not the airlines, just like they pay for the Handi-Dart service for taking Handicap people around. Rrrrrr this pisses me off.

[crazy_aviator]

I just arrived back from a 2 week vacation in the Phillipines , the person in front of me lowered his seatback and yes, i had to reset the angle of the monitor to see the screen properly ,,,but guess what ,,his health and rest is more important than my laptop browsing AND seat backs and trays were invented BEFORE laptops were invented !! On another note, the Philippines have 2 classes of people , the poor and the "rich", 80% are poor and trim and fit, while the rich are often fat dogs. The rich can afford to eat !! I spent 2 weeks with a woman who was more honourable and clean and gracious than most north american women and she lived in VERY primitive housing , breathing the smog of jeepneys day by day and carrying a certain wonderful quality of grace that is impossible to find in North America !! The self absorbed , ignorant, weak, foolish and sinful North American would do well looking into how the Filipina woman handles herself!! ( Is it any wonder why im looking overseas to find a wife ? )

[xsbank]

Crazy, you slut!

"Gay Chubby Dating?" I think the bot has lost it.

Give over - being a fatty is the same as having any other kind of handicap - a guy with 2 heads is not as disgusting to look at, but fatties have right to jet to the sun and lie on the beach naked, too.

[2R]

XS you must have been to Los Gigantes

[xsbank]

Bible schmible....

[jeff_w_yeg]

It's amazing what you come across when looking for something...I hadn't seen this reply to one of my posts until today (I was searching for this thread for another forum):

For jeff w yeg , " so the jackass in front of me reclines his seat back into my laptop " Seat backs were meant to recline for everyones pleasure, have YOU ever reclined your seat back ?? Its like the selfish clod who says "asshole" to the guy who is 3 miles slower than him on the highway and "idiot" to the guy who is 5 miles faster than him on the highway ! Boy, we have come a long way, havent we ! In Canada, We reward the uncontrolling indulgents, fools and inept and selfish and sinners and punish the righteous and hard working ,, And Canadians are doing NOTHING about it , either personally or collectively and WILL NOT either ( Read your bible )

Actually "crazy", I do recline my seat, but only after looking behind me first and making sure the person sitting behind me doesn't have a laptop/portable DVD player on the tray table. And when I do recline my seat, I do it slowly and only a very little bit.

So there you go...I guess there are still a few courteous people left in the world - and I like to think I'm one of them.

Jeff @ YEG