Float Plane Standards

[Widow]

Wow, he answered me. Didn't say much, but I did get an answer, lol.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Preuss, Merlin" <PREUSSM@tc.gc.ca>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:18 AM
Subject: FW: CAIRS MA-7047 - Floatplane Safety Review


> This is further to our recent exchange of correspondence on the subject of floatplane safety. It is important to note at the outset that the purpose of the most recent review was to address mitigating factors related to aircraft design. The review included the collection and examination of relevant data from the Transportation Safety Board (TSB) of floatplane accidents since 1990 as well as a review and consolidation of TSB safety studies and recommendations on floatplanes.
>
> As you know, the results of this review did not identify any solutions that would have a major impact on the existing level of safety as it relates to emergency egress from submerged floatplanes. With the wide variety of aircraft types on floats, the challenge remains to find the correct balance between safety and practicality, as changes on one type of aircraft do not necessarily improve the safety of another type of aircraft.
>
> Please be assured that Transport Canada continues to focus efforts on pilot training, operational procedures and awareness programs, to raise awareness of floatplane safety through publications and newsletters and to seek current research material on reducing the risks related to submerged floatplane egress. Thank you for writing.
>
> Merlin Preuss
> Director General/Directeur général

Something else is in the works btw, but I'm keeping my mouth shut for now, lol.

[North Shore]

Holy crap, batman! Never before have I seen such stonewalling. Cat's disdain notwithstanding, I've often thought that it would be a great, stable job to work for TC. I'm beginning to think, however, that I'm nowhere near qualified, seeing as i wouldn't have the first clue about how to produce that sh!t.

[Cat Driver]

North Shore, my disdian for TCCA's methods are well documented.

You wouldn't in your wildest drug induced dreams believe the crap I put up with once Merlin Preuss figured out I was a danger to his kingdom.

He passed me off to the head of TCCA's " Quality Assurance " department by writing me a letter to advise me that they had met and decided that the head of that department was best suited to address my issues with TCCA. ( By that time the issue was Pruess himself having stepped on his own nuts by writing me a letter stating that he approved of how Nowzek was handling the file even though it was obvious that Nowzek was so dishonest you couldn't believe him if he told you what time it was. )

Anyhow the next year or so was unbelievable one can understand someone stonewalling but those cretins took stonewalling to a whole new level.

Like I said you would think that I made up the stuff they wrote just to show they are brain dead....but no it is the truth.

[cubonfloats]

The life jackets do have a CO2 cartridge and a little pull handle. (Just like you said)

.....and they cost about $200 a piece. And you just know people are going to be yanking on those handles during flight if they are wearing them.

Curious passenger in a beaver today..apprently they wondered what that yellow cap in the cockpit was holding. I guess they closed it pretty quick when the oil started staining their clothes

who knows next it might be the lever closest to them (mixture) they decide to pull

(and yes as the dock hand i had to clean up the oil )

[twotter]

Lets take a fairly uncomplicated method of opening doors in an emergency.

Quick release hinges, my Cessna Aerobat had them as part of the certification for it's mission ( aerobatics ) so why can't float planes have them?

Is a quick release hinge pin so difficult to design compared to a regular hinge pin?

Floatplanes can't have them because years ago, Transport Canada, in their infinite wisdom determined that they were unsafe!!! As I said before, ex military Beavers and Otters had them but to make them civilianized, it was required to remove them!!! Go figure!!

[Widow]

Here is a link to the recent "Floatplane Safety Review" by TCCA that I got through ATIP.

http://www3.telus.net/public/t9232724/i ... Review.pdf

As the first page (which I found buried in the middle of the file), you will find a memo to the Director General of Civil Aviation, Merlin Preuss, reminding him of the outcome of the study - with which he was involved. It states that the review was "inconclusive", while also stating that (although many, good ideas were put forward - especially egress training - dunker/awareness - and life jacket use) the file would be put on hold in deference to "priorities".

On the final scanned page, you will find included a list of references used in the study ... all of which are available on the internet. Other than that, there less than 100 pages I have not scanned, which are parts of the presentation/meeting with the FAA September '06 - almost entirely reiterated within what I've scanned, and the same pages I've scanned, but before corrections were made.

For some strange reason, I can't help but think if the TSB had actually reported and made recommendations on "our" accident, this review would not have been shut down and SOME change for the better would have been affected.

[polar one]

edited.

[black hole]

By the by: The military version of the Beaver had jettisonable doors from the factory;but had to be changed for the Civil type certificate. Makes sence to me???? TC at there finest.

BH

[1000 HP]

I flew a Beaver with the quick release doors. CFOCP in sewer-lookout. I remember accidentally knocking the door off as I scrambled out to avoid smacking the dock. And then later, diving into 15 feet of water to retrieve it, about 20 feet from the towns sewage water outlet into Pelican Lake....

[yzfer]

I'd of never thought it would be b.s like this that make me re-think why I'm even getting in to this industry. regulations should be put in place to protect the intrest of those direcltly involved and affected by said regulations. the face of aviation is changing fairly quickly, thus regulations should keep up, and not be stuck in the stone age. maybe ill find some solace up north, where for now you arent required to scan the bags of your four passengers with an xtay machine. (not trying to give tc any ideas)

[Green Hornet]

Surley I am not the only one on this forum that clearly understands just how pathetic any organization becomes when they hire all the losers in society that can't make it working in the commercial world.

Why would we be suprised when stupid remarks are made by stupid people?

Incredible, simply incredible that is about as stupid an answer to such an important question as one could ever get.

Widow ask that idiot for an outline of the review with all the relevant information such as where it was held, how many meetings they had, who was involved and what specific solutions did they examine.

These pricks work for us and we should get a better answer than you just received.

I have just had another go around with Preuss about my being harassed by a collection agency regarding the medical fee that TC charges us.

Even though I wrote to Preuss personally I got a typical jerk off letter back from this drone .

And also......ahhhh fu.k it I'm wasting my time here.

widow he has given you his answer, these people are a law onto their own and their arrogance is evident from this creatures response..

Doesen't this kind of response make you want to walk in his office and shove your next letter where the sun don't shine?

Keep after them, there are thousands of people who read your posts and there is one thing these cockroaches fear and that is being caught in a spotlight.

am pleased you recognized that petpad, to many of the management at the top of TCCA are moral degenerates.

I see, but I guess if you lost your business along with all your retirement savings because several pieces of human garbage in TCCA broke every rule in the book trying to protect their own who were abusing their power you would be a bigger man than me and just suck it up and smile?

Like I said you would think that I made up the stuff they wrote just to show they are brain dead....but no it is the truth.


Wow all from one guy. Nice to know the aviation world has reached a new level of communication.

[glideric]

I only have a question in mind...All the passenger that come aboard my plane usally weight 250-300lbs and are so fat, that I have to push them into the plane before we go...so If event a special exit is made, those people will still have difficulty to get out, because they have difficulty to move...so, I'm not sure it's a good thing too, I think, it's just a other way for some government friends to make some money...

[crazy_aviator]

Why is it that everyone is looking for the magical wand to cure everything ?
Considering a 30 year old floatplane, It was designed to do a job , it does it well and is safe!! Accidents are almost always caused by pilot error and maintenance error so why not concentrate in these areas . A properly maintained aircraft flown by an experienced pilot with the right attitude goes a LONG way towards reduction in accidents. If you want jettisonable cockpits and indestructible capsules then i would suggest you go and buy a good fiction book at the local book store!! Cause and effect ,,, Go look out your door and see all the Obese, out of shape, anxious, ignorant foolish folks and then go look at a statistics on death ! Most of this is preventable !!! Looking for the miracle cure for cancer?? same thing , why put the cart ahead of the horse? Fix the lifestyle and environment and living habits and you wont need cancer cures !!!