Summit Air

[swordfish]

Actually it's totally gross...not to mention the admission of flying while hung-over...

[Just another canuck]

Now swordfish, don't tell me you've never had a few too many the night before a day of flying...

Anyway, this thread is about Summit... what's going on the plane? Is it salvageable?

[Bush Man]

I heard through the grapevine that Summit was giving their pilots layoffs for Christmas as a result of this incident ....shitty deal

[swordfish]

JAC asked, rather impishly:

Now swordfish, don't tell me you've never had a few too many the night before a day of flying

No. I have never been "drunk" and I hardly drink at all. I mean it.

[Double Wasp]

Thats because your still like only 12 years old swordfish. Shouldn't jump on people,or call people gross, for not following your lifestyle, its not polite. Now I know your gonna say that drinking and flying is wrong, not arguing with you there buddy but try not to get your knickers all knotted because someone says that they had a drink or to with friends the night before flying. If this does offend you this will be a long and miserable career as a beer after work is probably the norm.

As for the boys at Summit I hope everything works out. This is a good company with owners that care for their people.
Cheers.

[Just another canuck]

I have never been "drunk"

Gotta tell ya, you are missing out my friend...

I like how you put drunk in quotations as well. If we were having this conversations person to person, you probably would have done that annoying hand quotation thing.

Anyway, good on ya... alcohol is the devil.

[Redneck_pilot86]

Sorry, my comment about ops specs was a little vague. I had been reading too much on here and forgot that the incident had occured in the dark...My bad.

[Rudy]

I heard through the grapevine that Summit was giving their pilots layoffs for Christmas as a result of this incident ....shitty deal

The crew involved or others as well? Awful news.

[Bush Man]

Others as well due to loss of contracts, this was going around a few days ago, hopefully things have improved since then....

[Donald]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/20 ... plane.html

'The plane is no more for me,' says survivor of Nunavut incident
Montreal, Moncton residents also say they're lucky to be alive
Last Updated: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 | 11:19 AM CT Comments7Recommend17CBC News
At least two passengers aboard a northern flight that missed an airport runway in Nunavut earlier this month say they feel lucky to be alive, but may never fly north again.

On Dec. 13, a Dornier aircraft operated by Summit Air skidded to a halt on the tundra about 1½ kilometres from the airstrip at Cambridge Bay, a remote hamlet in western Nunavut.

All 12 passengers and two crew members escaped with no major injuries, thanks in large part to a quick local rescue effort.

The passengers, most of them workers leaving a construction site in Resolute Bay, continued to Yellowknife, where Summit Air offered them counselling and free flights to their home communities in Southern Canada.

But Sylvain Grimard, who accepted the airline's offer of a free flight home to Montreal, said he broke out in a cold sweat as soon as he boarded a connecting flight in Edmonton.

Grimard said he then got off the aircraft, rented a car and drove for 2½ days to return home.

"I said no, no, the plane is no more for me," Grimard told CBC News in an interview.

A master mechanic, Grimard said he has flown on small passenger planes to reach work sites across Northern Canada and around the world. But after the Cambridge Bay incident, he said he is not sure what he will do.

Rescue effort went smoothly
Fellow Summit Air passenger Dan Gaudet of Moncton, N.B., said he still can't stop thinking about the incident, even two weeks after it happened.

"I mean, not too many people say they were in a plane crash and walk away," Gaudet said.

"They say your life flashes before your eyes. All I … remember was seeing my daughter, holding my daughter for the first time, and watching my wife walk down the aisle. When we hit, that's all I saw."

Gaudet said he was flying home from a five-week stint as a plumber's apprentice in Resolute Bay when the plane went down in Cambridge Bay.

He said the rescue effort went smoothly, and staff at the local nursing station could not have been nicer.

At the same time, Gaudet said he was petrified during the five additional flights he had to take to arrive in Moncton.

He also said he will never fly to Nunavut again because of the Cambridge Bay incident.

"I will never get on a small passenger plane, never, ever, ever, ever again," he said.

"I will never go to work back out there again. No way. No way, no way, no how."

The Transportation Safety Board and Summit Air continue to investigate what caused the plane to miss the runway.

[Just another canuck]

loss of contracts

I sure hope they didn't lose the M.R. contract... that's their bread and butter.

I feel really bad for the guys up there... the owners especially.... probably the best guys you could ever work for. Hope everything works out in the long run.

[Brown Bear]

I heard through the grapevine that Summit was giving their pilots layoffs for Christmas as a result of this incident ....shitty deal

Well, if you don't want to get a lay off, landing ON a runway, as opposed to landing somewhere a mile or so away from one, will go a long way in ensuring continual pay cheques.

[foxmoth]

allways get amused, or concerned by the made-up limits some pilots quote on hear.
dosnt anybody actually LOOK at the CARS these days? instead of listening to others.

[Brown Bear]

allways get amused, or concerned by the made-up limits some pilots quote on hear.
dosnt anybody actually LOOK at the CARS these days? instead of listening to others.

It's not about limits. It's about landing ON a runway, regardless of limits.

[Just another canuck]

allways get amused, or concerned by the made-up limits some pilots quote on hear.
dosnt anybody actually LOOK at the CARS these days? instead of listening to others.

Well, I'm not sure that even makes any sense... could you elaborate on that please?

And just so you know...

always, not allways

here, not hear

doesn't, not dosnt

I won't even bother to attack the grammar.

[Atomic]

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[Just another canuck]

Sounds like a crew member here.... you feel like filling us in??

[Atomic]

Nope, wasn't onboard for that one.

[Just another canuck]

I see... Very sorry to hear...

[Hoov]

I heard that you guys are expected to get hired back in April is that true?

[swordfish]

JAC noted:

And just so you know...
always, not allways
here, not hear
doesn't, not dosnt
I won't even bother to attack the grammar.

*Sigh of relief*
Thanks JAC. And foxmoth is meant to be a pilot...? Good god. I'm glad the general public doesn't read this board.

[Bush Man]

I heard through the grapevine that Summit was giving their pilots layoffs for Christmas as a result of this incident ....shitty deal

Well, if you don't want to get a lay off, landing ON a runway, as opposed to landing somewhere a mile or so away from one, will go a long way in ensuring continual pay cheques.

Thanks for that... you're the man...

[Rudy]

Well, if you don't want to get a lay off, landing ON a runway, as opposed to landing somewhere a mile or so away from one, will go a long way in ensuring continual pay cheques.

a. You have a personal grudge with Summit
b. You have never landed at night in the snow in the north
c. a and b are correct
d. You are God. In which case I'd like to thank you for not allowing something like this to happen to me or my company

Happy New Year

[polar one]

Rudy

a. I do not have a grudge against Summit. Dont really know anything about them
b. I have landed, in the arctic, at night, in snowing conditins..many times.
c. I know many others who have done it too. We are not gods.

If you believe that you have to be a god to not miss the runway, you should really get out of the aviaition business, as your thinking will allow you to rationalize any number of failings as a pilot.

I understand what happens in these situations. Not suggesting anything with regard to this incident, but usually is a result of a. inexperience. b. failure in CRM. c. an emergency that distracted the crew...or combination thereof.
But trying to rationalize it by making the claim that you have to be God to do it is far more serious than any of the above problems, because people can learn from their mistakes...unless they take the position you do.

Fly safe in 2009

[Unknown]

I heard through the grapevine that Summit was giving their pilots layoffs for Christmas as a result of this incident ....shitty deal

Well, if you don't want to get a lay off, landing ON a runway, as opposed to landing somewhere a mile or so away from one, will go a long way in ensuring continual pay cheques.

So your saying it's every pilot at Summit air that is resposible for the accident that night and they all deserve what they are getting?