Canadian North Layoffs

[Bucker2]

The "pilotcareercenter" web-site shows lay-off status at CDN North. Anyone heard anything about it.

[Galaxy]

Yeah....They're laying people off. Just as the website says.

[Bucker2]

Looked at the web-site earlier but didn't see anything. Any details of how many or how long?

[Kosiw]

Heard it was 8 crews in total....

[CAL]

can anyone comment as to what triggered the slow down up there?
I am just wondering how that will impact on Enerjet and Flair flying oilers up to the sands at 40$ a barrel....
sorry to hear the bad news...

[FL020]

A huge reduction of flying on CNRL's part....enerjet, and flair are affected as well

[Troubleshot]

A huge reduction of flying on CNRL's part....enerjet, and flair are affected as well

Enerjet does not fly for CNRL

[FL020]

and who exactly is Enerjet flying for? Suncor, Esso, husky? Obviously the contract that was due to be "secured" hasn't been...

[Troubleshot]

Suncor contract secured for 3 years I believe, cannot secure anymore until they start coming due from other carriers.

[mattedfred]

i heard a rumour that jazz will schedule a new hire groundschool in march if anyone is interested

[FICU]

Suncor contract secured for 3 years I believe, cannot secure anymore until they start coming due from other carriers.

The contract may be secure but the quantity of flying sure isn't with the price of oil and the economy in the dumper.

[FL020]

And the reason for contracting Enerjet for 3 years is.....??? seems to me that the cost of an NG costs roughly 13 or 14 k an hour to make profits. An old -200 on the other hand is 8000. Why would they opt for the ng? Nicer for the oilers heading up to firebag??? I dont think so...I've heard that nothing has been secured yet - contract wise.

[Troubleshot]

Well I asked Tim Morgan myself last week so how is that for fact....There is alot more in the works for enerjet than oil charters my friend, there isn't a bunch of monkeys running this show. I Think the WJ crowd can confirm this.

Using an NG operator is Suncors choice, it was offered to CanJet first but they turned it down due to Transat/charter obligations. This is all fact by the way .

Have a look...http://www.enerjet.ca/readarticle.php?id=16

[FL020]

I completely agree with you when you say that there aint a bunch of monkeys running the show. Although a formidable idea at the beginning of this, (When oil was on the way up through 75 or 80 bucks a barrel), but now that it's hit a couple year low, who knows what's going to happen?? Are you telling me that CNRL is cancelling phase productions, but on the other hand Syncrude is requiring MORE flying than what their rjs can handle??

Wasnt Enerjet supposed to target the sunny destination side of things too, or is that on the backburner? Some analysts already have said in the recent week that the US of A has entered, or will be entering within the next month into a depression.....Canada is totally prone to that eh??

[Troubleshot]

I am not sure what is happening with CNRL these days, I don't know what Syncrude is doing for running workers I'm pretty sure they only have 2 citations but I am not sure, I know CanJet has done work for them but other than that I don't know. Suncor is the only oil company that I know that has RJ's

EnerJet to my knowledge is still going to pursue the vacation sector but not till late 09 early 2010. As always everything is subject to change with or without notice.

[Lakelad]

Part of the Cdn North cutbacks

[godsrcrazy]

I wonder how many of these guys just quit full time jobs with senior positions a few months ago to get laid off at Canadian North.

[mattedfred]

i wonder what type of commitment canadian north gave these guys when they were hired? did they verbally agree that they would train them and employ them for 1 year or 2 years? to hire a guy then layoff him off like that is unethical or does this logic just apply to pilots that quit before they have been somewhere for at least a year. two can play at this game and the employers are just as guilty as the pilots.

i was hired at a company years ago that told me that their contract had been renewed as far as they knew. i received my 60 day layoff notice after being there only 1 month.

[Troubleshot]

Yeah I totally agree, we are all sitting here signing our life away to get a job yet there is no accountability on the side of the company/employer...load of bull.

[mattedfred]

for sure. why is that they want you to commit but they aren't willing to return the favour? they feel they are justified when they choose to layoff when it makes financial sense to do so but they get pissed off when you make a decision to resign based on your financial situation. the same thing for unforseen circumstances. i understand that flying contracts get canceled etc and they should understand that i don't control when another airline that i have applied to will offer me a job. double standard

[godsrcrazy]

mattefred all though i understand were you are coming from i cant say i totally agree with it. Does it mean if someone applies more qualified after you are hired they should get rid of you and hire them.

[godsrcrazy]

Please don't get me wrong i totally agree in comitments by company or employee. If you quit a job to go to another you are crazy not to have a written comitment. Just like companies want now. If a company promises you 2 years and does not hold up to it they will have no choice but pay a severance pay.

[mattedfred]

godsrcrazy,

i wasn't trying to say that if that is how you understood my comment

[matrix]

If a company promises you 2 years and does not hold up to it they will have no choice but pay a severance pay.

I've never heard of a company promising anyone employment for a certain time period. Does this actually happen? Maybe if its some kind of contract flying.

I guess if its in writing that someone is guaranteed 2 years, then the company should have to pay out the remainder, but I dont think this is a regular way they do things.

[godsrcrazy]

Sorry if i did not make my self clear i am refering to this.

i understand that flying contracts get canceled etc and they should understand that i don't control when another airline that i have applied to will offer me a job. double standard

There are many pilots whom do just what you said. This is why we are all getting training bonds stuffed down up our a$$'s. Labour standards looks after you when you get laid off when you were promised something.