Porter

mattedfred · Post by **mattedfred** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:35 am

does porter still have a training bond or promisary note and how much is it these days? do they ask you to commit for any period of time?

wordstwice · Post by **wordstwice** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:13 pm

mattedfred · Post by **mattedfred** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:34 pm

thanks

i was being lazy

20K for two years

do they offer you a guarantee of two years of employment?

wordstwice · Post by **wordstwice** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:03 pm

mattedfred · Post by **mattedfred** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:11 pm

so they require you to commit to them for 2 years by implementing a bond but if they cease operations or lay you off you don't owe them anything and they don't owe you anything?

do you know what flight safety or CAE etc charge for a Q400 type rating?

wordstwice · Post by **wordstwice** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:38 pm

mattedfred · Post by **mattedfred** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:47 pm

i would want to know before i agreed to a 20K bond for a Q400

Metro-Sexual · Post by **Metro-Sexual** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:26 pm

Hey Guys,

The bond is 20,000.00 for the type rating over 2 yrs prorated for each month of service. If something happens to the company you owe nothing or (as far as I know) if things don't work out for you during your probation period you owe nothing. You only pay if you don't stay. If you want to leave for "Greener Pastures" then pay up. But from what I've seen and heard not too many pilots are looking to jump ship. It's a great place to work and always getting better.

For those starting in the next couple of months welcome aboard! For those waiting if you haven't gotten the PFO yet hang tight, there's a lot of hiring in all departments going on and a very small HR Staff. Its not as much about flight time as attitude and personality. For those not selected this time around keep your chin up and keep applying we still need plenty of pilots!

Best of luck to all.

Cheers
MS

mattedfred · Post by **mattedfred** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:58 am

if not too many pilots are looking to jump ship and its a great place to work then why do they still have a bond?

perhaps they would broaden their hiring pool if they did away with the bond

Valhalla · Post by **Valhalla** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:13 pm

mattedfred wrote:if not too many pilots are looking to jump ship and its a great place to work then why do they still have a bond?

perhaps they would broaden their hiring pool if they did away with the bond

The DFO and Chief Pilot don't like the fact that there is a bond. Before the company stated though, the board decided the contract would be a good to protect their training cost investment. It is what it is, and I don't like it either. But is it helps, I've fulfilled my 2 year commitment and have no intention of leaving.

Skymaster · Post by **Skymaster** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:31 pm

Atlantic Flyer, check your PM !!

warbirddriver · Post by **warbirddriver** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:02 pm

>>But is it helps, I've fulfilled my 2 year commitment and have no intention of leaving.<<

Valhalla!! That's because you haven't flown with me yet! (I start Monday.)

G

Brantford Beech Boy · Post by **Brantford Beech Boy** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:17 am

Any plans for a YOW crew base/port?

BBB

BTD · Post by **BTD** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:41 am

warbirddriver wrote:>>But is it helps, I've fulfilled my 2 year commitment and have no intention of leaving.<<

Valhalla!! That's because you haven't flown with me yet! (I start Monday.)

G

mattedfred · Post by **mattedfred** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:20 pm

Valhalla wrote:The DFO and Chief Pilot don't like the fact that there is a bond. Before the company stated though, the board decided the contract would be a good to protect their training cost investment.

oh i'm sure they didn't

Valhalla · Post by **Valhalla** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:46 pm

mattedfred wrote:
Valhalla wrote:The DFO and Chief Pilot don't like the fact that there is a bond. Before the company stated though, the board decided the contract would be a good to protect their training cost investment.
oh i'm sure they didn't

To be honest, mattedfred, the people who seem to have a problem with a 2 year contract are the same people who are planning on leaving for WJ or AC or somewhere else at the first opportunity. And if you're that person, then I don't want to work with you at Porter because I don't want to hear about how fantastic WJ or AC or Cathay or Air Transat or whatever is.

Porter is not a training ground like some other companies have become, but that is also because people actually like working at Porter.

mattedfred · Post by **mattedfred** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:07 pm

it sounds like your arguing my point for me. if porter is such a great company that most pilots would like to stay with for an extended period of time then why the the BOD insist on a training bond? i do not work for porter by the way.

willknot · Post by **willknot** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:16 am

Does anyone know how close one has to live to the island to fly for Porter?

carnie · Post by **carnie** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:38 am

For reserve it is a minimum 2 hr call out. Several people live as as far as Cambridge, Guelph, Barrie etc.

willknot · Post by **willknot** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:04 am

Thank you for the prompt response, Carnie

365TAS · Post by **365TAS** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:13 pm

mattedfred wrote:it sounds like your arguing my point for me. if porter is such a great company that most pilots would like to stay with for an extended period of time then why the the BOD insist on a training bond? i do not work for porter by the way.

...also perhaps because the BOD are investors (read:Lawyers and accountants) not pilots.. who put up $125Million bucks and set this policy before the first a/c was even delivered..a time when there was lots of hiring going on by everyone and if you joined an uncertain startup then AC etc called the week after they would have reason to worry and wanted recourse. Noone really knew just how successful Porter would be and also since so far the existing 100+ pilots have all signed up, some upgrades coming in less than a year, rocketing up the seniority list and 100%+ forecast growth in 2009 the balance of the prorated bond is probably far down the list of things to think about.

mattedfred · Post by **mattedfred** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:01 am

it's interesting that the BOD didn't even give Porter's hiring committee the chance to prove how adept they could be at selecting candidates that would like to stay at Porter for 2 years even without a bond. why not wait to see how it worked out before instituting a bond? why even have an interview process if you don't even care that a new hire sticks around? the hiring committee cares about 2 things; money and their own workload. will you cost them money by quitting before they have recouped the cost of training you? will you cost them money because you will require additional training or a 2nd ride? will you cost them money by pranging an aircraft? will you increase their workload because you end up being one of the problem children in the company. nothing else matters.

365TAS · Post by **365TAS** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:59 am

mattedfred wrote:it's interesting that the BOD didn't even give Porter's hiring committee the chance to prove how adept they could be at selecting candidates that would like to stay at Porter for 2 years even without a bond. why not wait to see how it worked out before instituting a bond?

...because Rule#1 in aviation is CYA!

why even have an interview process if you don't even care that a new hire sticks around?

...like Jazz? aka the Westjet pre-'37 training dept?

the hiring committee cares about 2 things; money and their own workload.

...and at Porter (and Westjet) most importantly..will you fit in with the company culture..if you do then the bond becomes irrelevant. If you slip through and are really looking elsewhere simply flying a Q400 to pay the bills until the call comes then it might become a factor.

will you cost them money by quitting before they have recouped the cost of training you? will you cost them money because you will require additional training or a 2nd ride? will you cost them money by pranging an aircraft? will you increase their workload because you end up being one of the problem children in the company. nothing else matters.

...all natural questions any employer asks...from Porter to McD's. Except Porter..any any good airline, also wants a good Captain down the line as well. Captains of character from FO's of promise kinda thing.

The "big" boys don't need a bond since they are "the last stop" in many pilot's minds, and rightly so. Porter has a good way to go for many before it's in that league itself. It'll get there..give it a few years...after all Rome wasn't built in a day, and with 8 planes in the fleet today...we'll see what's happening when there are 50.

Skymaster · Post by **Skymaster** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:26 am

Hey 365 TAS !

Do you think there will be 50 A/C in a few years ? I know there will have 20 total within 1 1/2 years from now. 50 would be great. is this just a rumour?

SM

raven54 · Post by **raven54** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:39 am

Do people really think business's care if you don't like their bond? They are looking out for one thing only, the bottom line. I'm sure the BOD don't a flying fark if the bond hurts some pilot's feelings or sense of integrity. If you want the job apply and sign the bond, if not, apply elsewhere. If I was running an airline, I'd do the same damn thing!!

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