Enerjet

ourkid2000 · Post by **ourkid2000** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:47 pm

I'm annoyed by their advertising for people to come work for them........"your career is looking up".

Do they really expect us to buy into that? I think we've all been around the block long enough to see the crap here. They might as well just be honest and say "we're gonna try........you wanna try and help us? You may have a job next year, but maybe not, we'll see......hopefully!"

arewethereyet · Post by **arewethereyet** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:04 pm

and dont forget! your career is not looking up if you dont have an NG rating!

FL020 · Post by **FL020** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:23 pm

and dont forget, it'll only look up once you SECURE contracts with SOMEONE.......(valuable ressources there)

gulfan · Post by **gulfan** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:42 am

FL020 wrote:and dont forget, it'll only look up once you SECURE contracts with SOMEONE.......(valuable ressources there)

They have already signed a contract.

KAFUFO · Post by **KAFUFO** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:02 pm

so teach them a lesson. Don't apply, I'm sure the company will miss your none NG experiance by flying around with Co-Captians with thousands of hours of experiance on type and not having to worry about forking out for extra training cause they have guy's that have already done the same sim ride 20+ times.

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:26 pm

"and dont forget! your career is not looking up if you dont have an NG rating!"
LMAO!

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:17 pm

I know a guy who got hired by them without an NG type rating.

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:18 pm

where are they doing their training?

Airbrake · Post by **Airbrake** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:42 am

Four1oh wrote:where are they doing their training?

Westjet

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:28 am

I highly doubt it.

drop.dead.fred · Post by **drop.dead.fred** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:10 pm

I hope Canjet's training bond is tight. I hear they just hired a few western boys who think they can still live out west while flying for them. As far as I know, they only have a base in YHZ with domiciles in YUL and YYZ. I think Canjet is Enerjet's new training department.

FICU · Post by **FICU** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:50 pm

Enerjet might not like this news:

Suncor reports rare loss, halts oil sands expansion

http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/st ... R/GIStory/

The company is suspending construction on its Firebag 3 oil sands project and Voyageur upgrader, placing both in a “safe mode” as the reality of low oil prices sinks in.

http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/st ... 0/GIStory/

Troubleshot · Post by **Troubleshot** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:02 pm

FICU wrote:Enerjet might not like this news:

Suncor reports rare loss, halts oil sands expansion
http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/st ... R/GIStory/

The company is suspending construction on its Firebag 3 oil sands project and Voyageur upgrader, placing both in a “safe mode” as the reality of low oil prices sinks in.
http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/st ... 0/GIStory/

They are not laying off so at this stage nothing changes.

FICU · Post by **FICU** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:08 pm

Read carefully...

Suncor will not lay off any of its employees, although Mr. George acknowledged the company's dramatic lowering of its capital spending plans will have a “major impact” on its contractors.

The contractors are the ones coming from the east coast.

This is exactly the same situation Canadian North is facing with CNRL... a large reduction in flying... the contractors from the east coast.

Troubleshot · Post by **Troubleshot** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:31 pm

FICU wrote:Read carefully...

Suncor will not lay off any of its employees, although Mr. George acknowledged the company's dramatic lowering of its capital spending plans will have a “major impact” on its contractors.
The contractors are the ones coming from the east coast.

This is exactly the same situation Canadian North is facing with CNRL... a large reduction in flying... the contractors from the east coast.

I did read carefully...the workers that Suncor are running are full-time employees of Suncor. The contractors in question are companies that are apart of the construction support to actually construct new sites. The work force is not shrinking it is just not growing.

B-rad · Post by **B-rad** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:42 pm

Fair enough but how far does the ripple effect go.. contract companies not working is the same thing. less people flying and reduction in jobs. But good for Suncor to not have to shrink the workforce.. but it is shrinking somewhere...........

FICU · Post by **FICU** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:30 pm

Hmmm... prior to Xmas I flew some workers out of Firebag to Thunder Bay and Halifax and they were employees of contractors to Suncor.

Troubleshot wrote: I did read carefully...the workers that Suncor are running are full-time employees of Suncor. The contractors in question are companies that are apart of the construction support to actually construct new sites. The work force is not shrinking it is just not growing.

B-rad · Post by **B-rad** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:44 pm

Whats your point? Are you surprised that people go home for the holidays or wait... I get it, your trying to say contractors are still flying.. Well good for them. And us. Now, did you happen to fly them back to Alberta after the new year?

Troubleshot · Post by **Troubleshot** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:45 pm

I don't doubt you, just saying that from what I know all of EnerJet flights have been for Suncor employees only. No doubt things are going to change in Fort Mac. if anyone is going to feel the adverse effects of the down turn it will be the oil companies....and if you ask me it's about time big oil got a fuckin kick in the nads!

FICU · Post by **FICU** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:17 pm

B-rad wrote:Whats your point? Are you surprised that people go home for the holidays or wait... I get it, your trying to say contractors are still flying.. Well good for them. And us. Now, did you happen to fly them back to Alberta after the new year?

My point was to say that the bulk of the east coast workforce being flown into Firebag and other camps like Horizon are not company employees. They are employees of contractors. Most company employees for these oil outfits are in YMM, YEG, or YYC.

Who's "us"?

I was off so I have no idea how or if they got back to Firebag.

Giveitago · Post by **Giveitago** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:42 pm

Let's put this little announcement into perspective, Firebag 3 is over 1/2 completed, for Suncor to pull the pin (or stand down) on a project that is 1/2 completed they must feel that the penalties incurred to cancel the contracts far outweigh the revenue return of the completed project in the near future. Thats a scary thought.....when they cancelled this morning they told their subcontactors that they would recieve any equipment allready on it's way (actually in transit). They will not take delivery of any other equipment if it's not allready on it's way. Major Subcontractors have allready shut down Mod yards in Edmonton. Stuff is at a standstill. Not all the people are coming from the eastcoast. We have just seen a very direct result of what is happening to our economy. And for those of you that think it's time for "Big Oil" to get put in it's place..........try telling that to the 300 Welders, 300 Pipefitters and Riggers and all the general labourers and that have just gone home to tell their wife/husband that the income has just been reduced by 90%. Oh, and also try selling that to the pilots that fly these guys on a daily basis (not just the Enerjet or Flair Guys). But to all the small operators that are flying Engineering staff in for meetings and that sort of thing.

jjj · Post by **jjj** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:57 pm

From the Globe and mail.

......"Suncor President and CEO Rick George vowed to continue construction on Firebag 3 and Voyageur when it feels it can better control costs."......

http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/st ... 0/GIStory/

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:10 pm

Anyone actually know how what approximate percentage the workers in YMM are contract vs employees? I suspect the far greater ratio is contract isn't it?

Giveitago · Post by **Giveitago** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:14 pm

If you look at just Voyageur and Firebag (the expansion sites) then you would be looking at about 7/8 contractors per each actual Suncor employee. Existing operating Sites like Suncor the original would be manned by mostly Suncor Employees and any contract employees would be on maintanence contracts and will not likely be affected.

FICU · Post by **FICU** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:13 pm

The price of oil is a big part of driving not only the Alberta economy but most of Canada. It's no coincidence that the markets share the same trend as the price of oil and once the price of oil starts to climb back toward realistic levels the market and economy should follow suit.

Think of the hundreds if not thousands of workers from the maritimes who have been constructing the oil sands exapnsion and new projects over the last number of years... most of them are out of work now and this will impact the economy in NFLD, NS, and NB.

As much as many hate the oil companies, without the jobs they provide across the country, Canada would be in a world of hurt.

Canadian North has had to lay off pilots and flight attendants because of the price of oil... who might be next? Hopefully no one!

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