One more day.....

[bmc]

...before the moron leaves office.

I thought it would never end.

[AUGER9]

oh happy day!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hedley]

Yeah, yeah, I know it's tremendously chic to bash
George W Bush, who is consistently portrayed as
a simpering, drooling moron in the left-wing media,
whom is fawning and gushing all over Obama, as if
he had the god-given gift to cause the entire world
to simultaneously orgasm

I think it's time to reflect upon GWB's biograpy:

GWB: undergrad degree Yale, Masters at Harvard

You: Do you even have a degree? I'm sure as hell that
you don't have a master's degree from Harvard, and
you never, ever will.

GWB: Flew F-102

You: Think flying rubber dogshit out of Hong Kong
would be a great gig, but probably will never achieve it

GWB: Elected Governor of Texas. Twice.

You: couldn't get elected to your municipal
council, if you spent your entire life trying

GWB: Elected President of the United States. Twice.

You: are a complete failure, in comparison "to a moron"

GWB: Invaded and Conquered Afganistan and Iraq

You: Have trouble getting through the dirty laundry
scattered all over your bedroom, and are too young
to remember that the Soviets got their asses handed
to them in Afganistan in 1980.

GWB: Despite being portrayed as a drunken oaf, very
adroitly dodged two shoes thrown at him in Iraq, by the
future pitcher of the NY Yankees.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uIj0YvDBKE

You: Have difficulty tying your shoelaces in the morning.

Conclusion: If GWB is a "moron", then you're 100x
dumber than a moron.

[GreenStar]

The start of four years of accelerated socialism.

[Hedley]

You misunderstand - according to the left-wing media,
Obama can do NO WRONG. He is incapable of making
a wrong decision, and can leap tall buildings in a single
bound, and his poop smells like lavender.

The US isn't in any trouble at all, because Obama can
do anything. Isn't that right?

[Just another canuck]

GWB: undergrad degree Yale, Masters at Harvard

Sorry, don't believe for a second he achieved through his own hard work and determination.

GWB: Flew F-102

Where exactly, in training flights over American soil... I'm just guessing on this one.

GWB: Elected Governor of Texas. Twice.

Cheated.

GWB: Elected President of the United States. Twice.

Cheated.

GWB: Invaded and Conquered Afganistan and Iraq

Ummmm, no he didn't. If you call that invaded and conquered, what's your definition of failure?

GWB: Despite being portrayed as a drunken oaf, very
adroitly dodged two shoes thrown at him in Iraq, by the
future pitcher of the NY Yankees.

Haha... his only success as president. Too bad it didn't hit in the eye though... would have made for a better youtube video.

OK... let 'er rip Hedley.

[Just another canuck]

By the way, I don't think Obama is the answer to all of America's problems... in fact, I think he's going to be in real trouble due to the much too high expectations.

Someone made a remark on the inauguration today... something like this. "The first black president you say.... huh..... better be a good one."

No president can be perfect, but for some reason many think this one will be... simply because he's younger and black maybe. I don't know.

[Changes in Latitudes]

Ok Hedley, now do Cheyney! Is the poor lamb off limits to us as well?

Vice-President Dick Cheney will attend the inauguration ceremony in a wheelchair after injuring his back while moving, officials said Tuesday.

[Hedley]

Heh. When I grow up, I want to be Dick Cheney (minus
the health problems). Who else gets to shoot people
and gets away with it?

If GWB is a "moron", then you're 100x dumber than a moron.

[Rockie]

Without making a single executive decision Obama has already done something that would have been unthinkable four months ago. He's instilled hope and optimism in not only Americans, but the rest of the world as well that's suffered at the incompetent and distinctly nasty hands of the Bush administration.

If Obama accomplishes a tenth of what he says he will he'll be 100 times better than the last eight years.

[Hedley]

For those with short memories, JFK also inspired exactly
the same feelings of hope and optimism, and he presided
over the slaughter at the Bay of Pigs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

and JFK set the wheels in motion for the commitment of
the USA to the Vietnam War, and really I hope we all
remember how well that idea worked out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_wa ... _1962-1975

In 1961, the USA had 50,000 troops based in Korea, and Kennedy faced a three-part crisis—the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion, the construction of the Berlin Wall, and a negotiated settlement between the pro-Western government of Laos and the Pathet Lao communist movement[56] These made Kennedy believe that another failure on the part of the United States to gain control and stop communist expansion would fatally damage U.S. credibility with its allies and his own reputation. Kennedy determined to "draw a line in the sand" and prevent a communist victory in Vietnam, saying, "Now we have a problem making our power credible and Vietnam looks like the place," to James Reston of The New York Times

More recently, Pierre Elliot Trudeau inspired a similar
left-wing media mania when he was elected. Don't think
that worked out very well, either.

[Just another canuck]

See, I actually agree a little with you there Hedley. Like I stated already... Obama is set up for failure it seems.

On another note, I love how you always refer to flaws or corruption in Canadian politics, no matter what thread you're in. Really, I think it's funny... I'm not trying to be sarcastic here. I mean, you even brought it up in hockey thread about fighting.

If Obama accomplishes a tenth of what he says he will he'll be 100 times better than the last eight years.

This, however, I also agree with.

[Hedley]

I love how you always refer to flaws or corruption in Canadian politics, no matter what thread you're in

Hey, it's an easy target. Hard to miss. Like shooting ducks in a barrel.

[iflyforpie]

What is this 'left wing' crap? One dimensional politics isn't really an accurate way to describe politicians, governments, or media. Hitler had far more in common with Stalin in spite of them being at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Dubya ransacked the treasury by fighting endless wars, instituting large tax cuts for the wealthy, and bailing out the wealthy when their house of cards came tumbling down. The net result was a healthy budgetary surplus turned into a huge deficit and a doubling of the national debt.

'Right wing' media would portray him as on a mission from God in light of all this.

[Hedley]

What is this 'left wing' crap?

I know how you feel - I say the same thing every
time I turn on the TV. Can't stand the CBC.

Dubya ransacked the treasury

Yeah, all the lefties got pissed when GWB starting playing their song

incompetent and distinctly nasty hands of the Bush administration

Nasty?! That's the best rock (er, shoe?) that you can
toss in the direction of GWB? Because the Bush administration
invaded and conquered TWO countries (Afganistan and Iraq).

How many countries have YOU invaded and conquered?

Biggest flaw of the Bush Administration (yeah, FEMA, I know)
was the lack of oversight resulting in the financial crash. But
remember, the "world's smartest person", Alan Greenspan
was in charge of that disaster. Would you have made a better
choice than Alan Greenspan? I sincerely doubt it

[iflyforpie]

Not everything that Bush did was bad.

The invasion of Afghanistan toppled one of the most oppressive regimes on the planet and I believe was justifiable on the grounds that they were harboring terrorists.

The invasion of Iraq was justified too. If Saddam didn't have WMDs then why the hell did he behave like he had them? There were something like 17 UNSC resolutions against Iraq between the two wars and the startling thing was why the US or Coalition didn't invade earlier. It was only the French with the UNSC veto that outright opposed the invasion (actually a majority of the EU supported the invasion in one form or another).

I think the way the 'peace' wound up was botched in a big way in both countries but remember, there are still US troops to this day, in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.

[Hedley]

The invasion of Iraq was justified too

With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, I dunno.

Sure, Iraq is without a doubt a better place than when
Saddam was running it - I challenge the leftie fruitcakes here
to refute that - but was it really worth the cost?

P.S. Do keep in mind that Detroit gave Saddam Hussein
the key to their city, 'way back when.

[iflyforpie]

With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, I dunno.

We never go into anything with hindsight. If we did I would be a very rich man.

Sure, Iraq is without a doubt a better place than when
Saddam was running it - I challenge the leftie fruitcakes here
to refute that - but was it really worth the cost?

It is probably not worth the cost in the eyes of the average American. The British were in Egypt for 50 years and one can't say that the regime that followed under Nasser was exactly pro-western and democratic. The US has a long road ahead of it if it plans on continuing the occupation until there is a nationally elected responsible government in effective control of the country in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

[bmc]

Been off in the mountains for the past two days. Anyone know if Foxnews covered the inauguration?

[bmc]

Yeah, yeah, I know it's tremendously chic to bash
George W Bush, who is consistently portrayed as
a simpering, drooling moron in the left-wing media,
whom is fawning and gushing all over Obama, as if
he had the god-given gift to cause the entire world
to simultaneously orgasm

I think it's time to reflect upon GWB's biograpy:

GWB: undergrad degree Yale, Masters at Harvard

You: Do you even have a degree? I'm sure as hell that
you don't have a master's degree from Harvard, and
you never, ever will.

GWB: Flew F-102

You: Think flying rubber dogshit out of Hong Kong
would be a great gig, but probably will never achieve it

GWB: Elected Governor of Texas. Twice.

You: couldn't get elected to your municipal
council, if you spent your entire life trying

GWB: Elected President of the United States. Twice.

You: are a complete failure, in comparison "to a moron"

GWB: Invaded and Conquered Afganistan and Iraq

You: Have trouble getting through the dirty laundry
scattered all over your bedroom, and are too young
to remember that the Soviets got their asses handed
to them in Afganistan in 1980.

GWB: Despite being portrayed as a drunken oaf, very
adroitly dodged two shoes thrown at him in Iraq, by the
future pitcher of the NY Yankees.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uIj0YvDBKE

You: Have difficulty tying your shoelaces in the morning.

Conclusion: If GWB is a "moron", then you're 100x
dumber than a moron.

You put a lot of thought into that.

Good for you.

[Icebound]

For those with short memories, JFK also inspired exactly
the same feelings of hope and optimism, and he presided
over the slaughter at the Bay of Pigs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

and JFK set the wheels in motion for the commitment of
the USA to the Vietnam War, and really I hope we all
remember how well that idea worked out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_wa ... _1962-1975

For those with really short memories, JFK also had more successes in less than 3 years, than GW had in eight.

Civil rights and racial integration.
Initiation of the Moon Landing program
Defusing the Cuban Missle Crisis without nuclear annihilation.

... for a start.

Pretty much the only thing people say GW was successful at ... (well... Fox News people, anyway) ...was "keeping America safe", and even THAT is disputable.

9/11 was hatched by a financier and a handful of radicals... When their bolt was shot, there were immediately 19 less of them, their financier was in hiding, and the entire world... including the Muslim countries.... were America's friends and allies.

Now THAT would have made America safe.

But in the meantime, his interference in Iraq has not only radicallized tens of thousands more, but has given them real-world combat training. Not to mention encouraging any home-grown crackpot with a balaclava and a couple of firecrackers.

Had America not lifted a finger in Iraq, there is a real possibility that Saddam would either have been destroyed by his own people in the intervening seven years.... or he would have pissed off everybody else so badly that a true coalition of the really willing would have been formed.... (including Arab countries) ....with a much higher probability of success.


A key principle when trying to solve an emergency is to "do no harm".

THAT is where GW failed miserably.

...

[ottawa,kan]

What I like best about Dubya today is that he's not the messiah. God I am so sick of this media hysteria about Barak. He's a celebrity. And he's in for a huge let down when the press and the Dems finally go after him. Which is already starting. Harry Reid ( Dem majority leader in the Senate) is already screaming about how "Barak Obama is not my boss" I just hope the Repubs have the sense to wait thru a year of the Dems bashing him before they start in themselves. I voted for McCain but I like Barak. I'm perfectly happy he's president. I'm happy we have a president who is so well spoken. So charming. Has such a hot wife. But I'm
not happy with his celebrity. We didn't elect Brittany Spears for gods sake. Sooner or later he has to step up and lead. We'll see how that goes.

[Icebound]

What I like best about Dubya today is that he's not the messiah.

Oh, but 5 or 6 years ago years ago he was.
He was saving the world from Al-Qaeda

People are so fickle... now they go an find themselves a new messiah.

]

But I'm
not happy with his celebrity. We didn't elect Brittany Spears for gods sake. Sooner or later he has to step up and lead. We'll see how that goes.

Maybe it is only me, but Americans as a people appear to be way more willing to worship celebrity than other peoples. Whether sports, or entertainment, or politics, or even criminals. Maybe its because celebrity has beome such a huge part of the economy, and we all know how important it is to "stimulate the economy" or the world will disintigrate.



...

[BoostedNihilist]

Hey, it's an easy target. Hard to miss. Like shooting ducks in a barrel.

Hmm, not sure I would trust dick around a gun, ducks, and a barrel... definitely not if I was some old lawyer

seriously though, this is a time will tell situation. Barack might not be the be all and end all, but if he can unite a majority of americans then he will be wielding some true power. Especially if he manages to do it without underhanded fear trickery.

I personally believe the right is so scared to death of the success of obama that they will do anything they can to tear him down. After all, who really likes to look like the loser. If obama does manage to turn the country around then he will have a great position to argue that republicans and the right were the problem. The side effect will be that those on the right who still are non-believers will look like the biggest gaggle of ignorant fools the world has ever seen. Unless the right decides to tow the party line, then when another election rolls around they can say that at least they tried to be a part of a solution. What's the saying, too many chiefs not enough indians...

It's almost like the right is praying for the collective failure of all of america just to prove their political point. Put up against a celebrity / messiah I would choose that over a sore loser any day of the week.

It's time for the right to get with the times and help push the car out of the ditch. Credit is frozen and nobody is going to lend enough money to buy a new car so you might as well work together to rescue the one you have, no matter which wing of the political spectrum you might call your home unity and a plan will most certainly work better than division and chaos.

[bmc]

Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.