About this whole going into Afghanistan and Iraq business, immediatly post 9/11, EVERYONE wanted the United States to launch an offensive attack against Bin Laden, and frankly, had he not, instead of talking about how he shouldn't have invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, right now we would be talking about how incompetent he was as a leader because he wouldn't send troops to fight for the country. Now you guys are going to argue that just because they went in 8 years ago, that doesnt mean they should still be there, but heres what I have to say to that... War isn't like a box of lego that you can start and walk away from because something better comes along, not by a long shot. Even back in the First World War, they expected it to be a short couple month venture, but soon learn't that it wasn't how they imagined it, and prepared for the long haul. The people back then did not care that it was going to last longer than anticipated, because they knew that their freedom was at stake, and wanted to protect it, rather than the people today who just care about who's wearing what, whether they should get the Venté or the Grandé latte, checking their blackberry, etc. everyone is seemingly oblivious that the soldiers in Afghanistan are fighting for your freedom, and safety, they arent just there because they like waking up in the morning unable to completly rid theirselves of the sand that is coating every square inch of their bodies. Imagine what the world would be like right now had we withdrawn before the war was won back in the early 1900's. It's possible that pulling out now could be worse for the US than staying would be, because then the Taliban can claim that they have succesfully defeated the United States Army, a next to near impossible feat by anyone, much less any single army. Sure it may be costing the government of the United States large sums of money, but look at the positive side. In today's economy, rather than possibly being laid of by a company back home, these soldiers have job security and a steady paycheck, The vehicles, machinery, weaponry, aircraft, munitions, etc, all have to be built by someone, and each of these companies are going to require parts, and machinery from other companies, which have to be transported to them, all in all weaving a vary large network of jobs. Without this war, this net would be considerably constricted, and we would see more people out living on the streets because their companies couldnt afford to keep them on.
About the issue of the whole misspeakings of GWB, think about it for a second, in today's world nothing is private anymore, especially when your the president of the United States, he has a camera on him near 24 hours a day, sure he's going to make a slip up here and there, its human nature, im sure Barrack will make the same mistakes, but guess what? right now he is God to the media, and anything he says or does is just swept under the table by them (for example, jumping the gun while taking the oath yesterday, the reporters just laughed it off, but had Dubya made the same mistake, it would be the butt of every joke for the next year). This really shows you how much of an effect the media has on peoples lives, how it can singlehandedly make a very accomplished man and great leader and make him the laughing stock of an entire country, but at the same time, propel an average man into a level of superstardom in no time at all.
Im not saying that I am a Bush supporter, nor am I an Obama basher, in fact I think that he will be a great Commander in Chief for The U.S. of A. What I am saying though, is that we really need to look at the entire picture here, without the media bias before all these Bush bashing's and Obama Praisings.
I appologize that the grammer, etc. may not be the greatest, but to be honest i'm writing this way to late to really care :p
One more day.....
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k411 wrote:About this whole going into Afghanistan and Iraq business, immediatly post 9/11, EVERYONE wanted the United States to launch an offensive attack against Bin Laden, and frankly, had he not, instead of talking about how he shouldn't have invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, right now we would be talking about how incompetent he was as a leader because he wouldn't send troops to fight for the country.
"EVERYONE" wanted action against Bin Laden, hence in Afghanistan.
Iraq? Not so much. Prior to Bush's speech on Oct 7,2002, less than 50% of Americans supported an invasion of Iraq. After the speech, support jumped to almost 60-40.
A speech which had so much "misinformation" (to be charitable) in it that most countries, including Canada, smelled a rat, and stayed out.
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Didn't Barack blow his oath of office speach on Inauguration day,misspeakings of GWB ... I'm sure Barrack will make the same mistakes
and have to do it again the next day?
If GWB had done that, the leftie media would have made hay.
But, Barack is treated with enormous love and affection by
the leftie media, as opposed to the hostility and invective
that they spewed at GWB.
Who here has a Master's degree from Harvard?
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Actually it was Chief Justice Roberts who blew it. Obama knew Roberts blew it, but went along anyway probably because 2 billion people were watching. Given Obama's proven attention to detail I'm sure he's had the oath committed to memory for several years now. And as a matter of fact rather than downplaying it the press is making much more out of it than it deserves. Obama was the President at noon with or without the oath.
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Well, y'know the media really is giving him a free ride... only the one truly patriotic network is questioning this unjust, illegal action. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_LUtNway9x4Hedley wrote:Didn't Barack blow his oath of office speach on Inauguration day,misspeakings of GWB ... I'm sure Barrack will make the same mistakes
and have to do it again the next day?
If GWB had done that, the leftie media would have made hay.
But, Barack is treated with enormous love and affection by
the leftie media, as opposed to the hostility and invective
that they spewed at GWB.
Who here has a Master's degree from Harvard?
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It's a little ironic hearing fox news ponder the legitimacy of Obama's Presidency because of a small error in the oath, when their own poster boy pretty much stole the election in 2000 with their help.
