I wonder if the spacing of the runway lights gave the illusion to the crew that there was more runway remaining then there actually was.
I believe the spacing is 50 ft apart.
Forgive me for maybe sounding naive about this stuff, but as I recall there usually are more than just the runway lights that should be visible when you get visual on an approach to a runway at an airport like North Bay.
If all they saw on a NPA was white runway lights when the landing surface became visible should that not have meant something?
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I was thinking along the lines of them getting visual late, past the MAP. I also wonder if runway 36/18 was even plowed. Would it of been possible to not see the intersecting snow covered runway??
It should only take one pilot to maintain SA while on instruments. A vaguely visible runway may have caught the attention of both pilots, and before they knew it they were way past their MAP. A hidden snow covered intersecting runway, shorter spacing between runway lights, plus the fact they were landing on a 10 000 footer may have given them the reassurance needed to continue the approach.
Morav wrote:I was thinking along the lines of them getting visual late, past the MAP. I also wonder if runway 36/18 was even plowed. Would it of been possible to not see the intersecting snow covered runway??
Not to add fuel to the 'speculation' however the plows were on 36/18 as they got off the active rwy 08/26 to allow the Jazz flight land.
Those are the facts.
Morav wrote:I was thinking along the lines of them getting visual late, past the MAP. I also wonder if runway 36/18 was even plowed. Would it of been possible to not see the intersecting snow covered runway??
Not to add fuel to the 'speculation' however the plows were on 36/18 as they got off the active rwy 08/26 to allow the Jazz flight land.
Those are the facts.
maybe they can chime in on where the mains hit gnd ?
Morav wrote:I was thinking along the lines of them getting visual late, past the MAP. I also wonder if runway 36/18 was even plowed. Would it of been possible to not see the intersecting snow covered runway??
Not to add fuel to the 'speculation' however the plows were on 36/18 as they got off the active rwy 08/26 to allow the Jazz flight land.
Those are the facts.
maybe they can chime in on where the mains hit gnd ?
Maybe they can. I'll ask them today when I land in YYB in about 3 hours time from now
Just something that may or may not have played a small factor in all this.
The controller sitting working JZA on that night would not have had a RSC for CYYB. Starting about a month before they went off the end the controllers no longer had RSC info for any airports in and around that area. FSS only has that info and at the time they went in, FSS was closed which meant no ATIS and no RSC. Yes YXU has a freq there but were they called? The controller had the ability to give him the hourly metar,any specials as well as the CURRENT RVR,winds and altimeter.....that's it
