True and correct

[Sqwak_Ident]

I am leaving my job this week. Do I absolutely need the CP to certify my log book?

[sissyphus]

Nope.

[sky's the limit]

Nope. X2

[Rowdy]

Nope X 3

[roger.roger]

the only people interested in my logbook certification were the panel at my first airline interview.

[Donald]

You might not *need* it, but it sure comes in handy when it's demanded of you in an interview 3, 5, 10 years later.

[flyinthebug]

Although you do not "need" it,..If you dont have your ATPL yet, it just makes the process with TC that much smoother if your times are consistantly certified true & correct by your CP. If its organized and easy to read .. along with a certification by your Chief Pilot(s)..It saves the inspector some time and usually speeds up the process. Thats been my experience. If you already have your "A" then I cant forsee you ever "needing" a certified logbook.

Hope that helps.
Fly safe all.

[sky's the limit]

You might not *need* it, but it sure comes in handy when it's demanded of you in an interview 3, 5, 10 years later.

Therein lies a major issue in FW aviation.... "Demanded?"

5 minutes in a sim with a qualified and experienced Check Pilot and they will know one way or another. "Certified true and correct" is just as easy to forge as the times...

You can either do what you say you can do, or you can't. Personally, if unqualified or Parker Pilots get hired, good on them as any company employing staff in a position to hire should be able to catch it. And if they can't, well, I guess the person actually is qualified.

stl
PS Flyingthebug is correct, in that it makes that process easier at TC, but after a number of licenses in FW and RW, in Canada and out. I've never had an issue yet - or a certification outside a flight school.

[Cat Driver]

Is there an industry standard for certifying a pilots personal log book?

Or is the certification just written in the book by whoever does it in any wording that they choose?

How do the people who are examining a pilots personal log book decide if the certification is genuine?

[Strega]

you need to have your former CFI certify it. Otherwise you will be screwed forever.

[Rockie]

You absolutely do not need it. And when you're sitting in front of your next interview board and the guy asks for it, tell him so. Or you could cover your bases and just get the stupid thing signed. I'm pretty sure it doesn't cost anything.

I don't know why people continue to ask this question. You absolutely don't need insurance either...until you need it.

[Cat Driver]

Do interview boards check with the person who certifies a pilot log book to find out if it is genuine?

[Donald]

You absolutely do not need it. And when you're sitting in front of your next interview board and the guy asks for it, tell him so. Or you could cover your bases and just get the stupid thing signed. I'm pretty sure it doesn't cost anything.

I don't know why people continue to ask this question. You absolutely don't need insurance either...until you need it.

So let's say that there is a specific airline that you would like to work for. You have applied, and re-applied. One day you finally get called, as do many others, for an interview. The airline has specified that you must produce your logbook, with your times certified by previous CP's. You will now tell them that "you do not need it"?

I never said it was a legal requirement, nor proof of a superior pilot, simply that it might come in handy.

[Check Pilot]

You can choose to do what you want. If you want the time certified by the Chief Pilot, get it done. If you want it done to get it done for a Transport Canada Licence application, it's imperative, because time that's uncertified is worth absolutely nothing to TC when you might want to attest to an amount of time you might have when applying for a higher Licence. As a former Personnel Licensing Inspector, if the time was not certified by the employer- i.e. the Chief Pilot or Operations Manager, the time meant absolutely zero. This is only from a perspective of meeting a legal requirement for a Licence upgrade. Employers obviously have standards of their own that you might have to meet.

[Check Pilot]

Sorry,

By the way, we still check with people that certify logs, whether they are really correct or not.

[Tim]

so if i dont have my log book cert'ed or get some type of letter from my CP and i send it in for my A's theyll send it back with a PFO note? not to sound like a broken record but is there a reference for this? I'm not trying to accuse anyone of lying intentionally or anything like that, id just really like to read the reg for myself.

[Rockie]

You absolutely do not need it. And when you're sitting in front of your next interview board and the guy asks for it, tell him so. Or you could cover your bases and just get the stupid thing signed. I'm pretty sure it doesn't cost anything.

I don't know why people continue to ask this question. You absolutely don't need insurance either...until you need it.

So let's say that there is a specific airline that you would like to work for. You have applied, and re-applied. One day you finally get called, as do many others, for an interview. The airline has specified that you must produce your logbook, with your times certified by previous CP's. You will now tell them that "you do not need it"?

I never said it was a legal requirement, nor proof of a superior pilot, simply that it might come in handy.

I was being facetious. There's nothing in the CAR's requiring a pilot to wear a suit to an interview either, but a pilot probably should. If you want to get a higher licence or some rating, Transport Canada requires that it get certified. If you want to get a flying job with someone they might want to see your times certified, and yes...as CP says they might actually check. If you fake a signature and it is found out you can kiss your job and reputation goodbye.

Moral of the story?

Who cares if it's required or not. It costs nothing but a small inconvenience, and maybe not even that much. Just get the stupid thing signed. And if it isn't possible to get it signed then pay a Notary Public to say the times are correct.

[Cat Driver]

And if it isn't possible to get it signed then pay a Notary Public to say the times are correct.

Rockie has pointed out the fall back position if you are unable to produce a record of your flying certified by xxx.

When you use a Notary Public to swear an affidavit you are producing a document that is a legal document that states you are telling the truth.

However all the documents on earth will not help you actually fly anything.

[Strega]

If you want to get a higher licence or some rating, Transport Canada requires that it get certified.

Can you quote the CAR ref for this?

[Strega]

Cat,

The problem with what you describe, (ie you can tell a persons experience from the way they fly) is that MOST CP's today, are such terrible pilots themselves, they wouldnt be able to spot the good from the badll!

[Rockie]

Cat,

The problem with what you describe, (ie you can tell a persons experience from the way they fly) is that MOST CP's today, are such terrible pilots themselves, they wouldnt be able to spot the good from the badll!

Oh? Can you quote a reference for that?

[Hedley]

Can you quote the CAR ref for this?

You've got style, I'll give you that, Strega, but you are
obviously quite naive. Why do you think that Transport
has to observe the law?

[Cat Driver]

Cat,

The problem with what you describe, (ie you can tell a persons experience from the way they fly) is that MOST CP's today, are such terrible pilots themselves, they wouldnt be able to spot the good from the badll!

Could that also be part of the reason that when people ask " WHY " after someone smashes up a perfectly good airplane they are jumped on for being to inquisitive?

Is it because the industry has been so dumbed down critical thinking has been discouraged to protect the status quo?

[Strega]

Hedley,

I have an ATPL and US ATP, and not once have I had show a "certified by some dumbass" (well other than myself ) logbook to anyone.

[Johnny]

When you use a Notary Public to swear an affidavit you are producing a document that is a legal document that states you are telling the truth.

One small correction. Notarization does not state anything towards the veracity of a document or its contents. A notary, when he/she notarizes a statement, is simply affirming that he/she witnessed YOU sign the paper (or that the document is a true likeness of its original). As for a claim of veracity, there is none from a notary.

A notarized document would have little to no effect against a hiring panel or regulator who was intent on either discrediting or rejecting your submitted information.