maintenance signoff; when

[cold_start]

What are the rules (if any) regarding the signoff on maintenance work. is the signoff dated when the work started, when it ended, or when the paperwork was done?

Thanks,

[CanadianLimey]

What are the rules (if any) regarding the signoff on maintenance work. is the signoff dated when the work started, when it ended, or when the paperwork was done?

Thanks,

I say when the work has ended. The paperwork should be done right after.

[HS-748 2A]

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[bombardierfixer]

My favorite answer: What ever your MPM says. In my case of done it wrong in everyway. In the end sign it when you think you should, not when someone is yelling at you to sign, If there are no provisions in your paperwork to short sign, its not your problem. Oh but that last statement dosn't include the "I did it but "forgot" to sign then left work for a week, cause I won't sign for shit, because in the end...I'm a dishonest @#$!, and I don't mind people taking the fall for me" I love that guy.

[wrenches and radios]

Ask a lawyer. The only legal date to put on a signature is the date that it is, regardless of when the work was done. The date is legally part of the signature, and has to be the date of signing. I sort of thought everyone knew that.

[crazy_aviator]

The maintenance release is signed and dated WHEN the work is done Period!!! if an AME performs an annual in december and releases it with a date of april 1 , then the phasing of the annuals and ads and other pertinent tasks are out of phase and this is NOT acceptable !!

[ruddersup?]

Oh come on guys. You sign it out when you want to fly it. Hold off emptying the ash tray untll you are ready to fly then close the work order. LOL

[cold_start]

I'll have to talk to my AME then, I noticed after getting the books back that the entry was dated three months earlier, when the plane first went in.

All the paperwork had been done the day I picked up the plane; halfway into February.

[wrenches and radios]

If there is a calendar limited item it has to be tracked from the time it was inspected regardless of the date beside the signature. If the amo started your annual inspection by completing calendar items then the date the next annual is due is according to the calendar. wood components is one example. This is known as the date the inspection is deemed to have been carried out on. Don't take the free advice you recieve on an anonymous forum too seriously either.

[ruddersup?]

Wrenches, I'm not sure you are totally correct. If you had the propeller overhauled you could take six months to install it and then the calendar starts. I'm not familiar with your example of wood but if Cessna says, for example, to overhaul an alternator after 5 years I would not start the meter when it was installed but rather when the inspection was complete. I believe this would be the same for a Lycoming engine calendar overhaul as well. If your position was correct then the engine would have the calendar running back at Lycoming on the shelf. Of course you are correct on some items but you shouldn't penalize items that do not have to be.

[coolame]

Wrenches is right. Take an ELT for example, it'll need to be recertified again whether it sits on the shelf or is in the aircraft. Whatever date the recertifying AMO put on the ELT is when time starts. If you used your logic you could have it sit on the shelf for 10yrs, then install it, and 2 years later pull it out for a recert, that's 12yrs Compasses, altimeters, life jackets, same deal. I'm sure there are exceptions though-I'd expect to see a phrase "next due 12 months after installation" or something to that effect..although I've never seen one.

As for when I sign-I sign when the work is done, which includes the paperwork. Paperwork is part of the job. I mean what if you just finished working on an aircraft and it crashes and TC walks in and there's no documentation for the work you did except for a log entry??

[ruddersup?]

Whoooo! Some are now saying that when the work order is closed the calendar starts. Some are saying that when they install/ check this item the calendar starts, work order would still be open, right? Some are saying when the log books are signed out.
Coolame there is no choice with an ELT the AMO has declared that. However think about the batteries installed, were they fresh from the factory? They are given the replacement date that the AMO signs out. Discretionary for sure. Gentlemen it is not an exact science.
Crazy, you work for Transport? Sounds like you would be a perfect candidate. Have the disposition of my inspector, great to get along with and open minded too.

[brownbear]

the maintenance sign off is actually called a "maintenance release" the work is not done till the work is released. At the duration of the work. As in it's ready to fly.

If a time life'd item has a date from when a certain inspection is carried out(such as an ELT) then the date is entered as part of the maintenance release.

The AAIR is dated when the aircraft is released. At the end of the inspection.

If your plane sat for three months in the shop and one of the items to be replaced was an altimeter with a 24 month bench test interval and that item was installed at the beginning of the inspection and has certs that say when it was tested.....that date will be noted in the maintenance release. Along with the next due date.

This stuff isn't gray. Yes some stuff become active once they are installed on the aircraft. But ELT's and Altimteres etc, expire on the shelf. Lots of things do.

Calendar items can take a month to inspect in the shop, but as long as the plane remains in the shop, it is released at the end.

Talk to your AME for clarification. Forums are not good places for regulatory advice.

[ruddersup?]

Thanks brownbear, it's simple and you are correct. Moved on...........