Fedex cargo crash in Tokyo

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Fedex cargo crash in Tokyo

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TOKYO, March 23 (Reuters) - A Federal Express Corp cargo plane crash landed and was burning at Narita airport in Tokyo, Japanese media reported.

NHK public broadcaster showed video of the plane crash landing and live footage of it burning. There was no immediate information about the crew of the plane.


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I believe this is the video from NHK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6cMK9LUnzI
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Boy thats one tough landing.
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Holy crap! :shock:
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Jesus..
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Holy Shit Balls!
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FedEx plane crash lands at Narita airport, bursts into flames

Monday 23rd March, 08:34 AM JST

NARITA —

A FedEx cargo aircraft with a pilot and co-pilot aboard crash landed and burst into flames early Monday morning at Narita International Airport, east of Tokyo, according to airport and police officials.

Narita municipal firefighters said they are working to rescue two people believed to be the crew. The airport office said one person rescued from the plane has been transported to hospital.

The MD-11 aircraft, Flight 80 from Guangzhou, China, was apparently whipped back up by strong winds when it landed at around 6:50 a.m., according to the Chiba prefectural police.

Local firefighters were seen trying to extinguish the flames.

A local observatory said winds of up to 72 kilometers per hour were blowing in areas around the airport at the time of the accident.

Video footage obtained by NHK showed the plane touching down on its rear wheels and its head hitting the runway as if slammed onto the ground.

The plane bounced and its left wing hit the ground. The plane then flopped over and veered off from the runway with flames bursting from the center of the fuselage.

The cargo plane touched down on Runway A, the longer of the airport’s two runways. The runway, used for accommodating large aircraft, is currently closed, according to the airport office.
http://www.japantoday.com/category/nati ... nto-flames
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That's messed up.
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OUCH! :o

I hope the crew is ok - but that looks pretty bad to walk away from.
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Holy
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Holy sh!t.
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Here is a better video in English at least:

Thoughts go out to the crew and families...

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200903/r351923_1614698.asx
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Both fellows died.
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Another sad day.
The MD-11 is one hard plane to land,
specially in strong gusty winds.
R.I.P. to the crew involved.
This really sucks!
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wow another sad day in aviation, 2 major accidents. just watched a news report, it was reported both pilots died in the crash landing.

heart goes out to all those invovled in today's accidents.
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:shock:

Thoughts and prayers are with the friends and families...

What a day.
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I think it says this happened around 06:50am Tokyo time. They certainly had some rotten winds to deal with:

RJAA TAF
2009/03/23 02:40
RJAA 230240Z 2303/2406 31016KT 9999 FEW030
TEMPO 2303/2307 31023G35KT
BECMG 2308/2310 02011KT
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Wow, what a sad day...

I won't speculate however, here is the link to the MD-11 mishap in Newark:

http://libraryonline.erau.edu/online-fu ... R00-02.pdf
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I don't think it was just a bounced landing.

I flew MD-11s for 4 years.

The landing looks normal to a little hard. The nose comes down too fast. You have to really force the nose down on an MD-11.
Different than any other aircraft I have flown (even a DC-10), the nose wants to go UP after landing.

Copied from the Flight Manual:

Vol. 2 Norm 10-38:

After touchdown, fly nosewheel to the runway while raising reverse levers to reverse idle....
Maximum reverse thrust may be selected without delay and may occur prior to nosewheel touchdown.

Ground spoiler deployment causes nose up pitching moment. This effect is most noticeable at aft centers of gravity, It is important to check the nose up pitching tendency with forward pressure on the control column.


Deploying the #2 reverser also causes the nose to pitch up.

I did this in the Sim years ago.
You are landing in a cross wind and after main gear touchdown you pop the reversers and try too hard to get the nose down and the plane stopped. As the nose is still 35 feet in the air it is scary to see yourself careening down to the pavement. You automatically pull back hard to stop the nose from crashing into the runway.
At this very moment reversers 1 and 3 kick in full power and # 2 (in the tail) goes to idle causing a positive pitch moment. The ground spoilers come out causing a BIG positive pitch moment. (and boy is it big...)

With this positive pitch moment and you pulling back to save the nose, you have unwittingly rotated the aircraft. You are airborne again with the ground spoilers out and #1 and #3 reversers going full blast.

Airspeed is disappearing fast, you can't go around because the reversers are deployed so you shove the nose over or you stall and the nose GOES over.

Either way you are coming back down....and then you bounce. But by then it is too late to control the bounce.

It sucks and it is REALLY easy to do.

RIP


Edit:
As this is an aviation site, you might as well get it straight from the horses mouth


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Tragic

Thanks for that TTJJ
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Sad day it is...
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wow , that's is tragic , especially the link above with the sounds , very shocking !

definetely got to express regrets for crew !

looks like the left main collaped on that harsh drop back to the rwy allowing the right wing to rise & overturn the acft , terrible !
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So early in the morning eh? I wonder how many hours had those guys been flying? maybe all night? I am sure that the accident was "unforeseen" right?
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That's a crapy way to go man.... :(

My condolences go out to their families...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhGSMaKU ... re=related

winds with 72 KM/H gusts were reported around the time of the accident.
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