Obama ends program that let pilots carry guns

[Widow]

It was Sigmund Freud who said, "A fear of guns is a sign of emotional and sexual immaturity."

Actually, that is incorrect. That is a paraphrase of an opinion of Freud's ideas, made in an essay by D.B.Kates Jr., that has been misattributed to Freud.

[Prairie Chicken]

I think the conspiracy theory that foghorn & others are referring to is on youtube under the heading of "loose change"--it's huge! Believe it or not, it certainly is amusing reading.

I agree with Skyhunter. I like firearms and am comfortable around them, and appreciate the fact that they really are a tool for some professions (I’m thinking farming & ranching rather than law enforcement). I resent those who know nothing about firearms thrusting their beliefs on my rights. And I sure as hell object to the long rifle registry boondoggle!!! Having said that, I don’t see any need for assault or fully automatic weapons to be privately owned--specialty collectors perhaps, but not you & I. Unfortunately, when I look at the firearms problems in the US I have to admit that society is really fk’d with regard to firearms. So, obviously the answer must be somewhere in the middle.

My 2 cents.

[fogghorn]

sure a lot of people here who believe propaganda

anyone ever heard of operation northwoods?

does everyone really believe that 911 was orchestrated by some guy in a cave in afghanistan? a mission carried out with such precision as to make the best military planning commander envious of its perfect-ness

to believe the offical version of events is an insult to intelligence and the ability to think and compare and evaluate

and as to guns and gun control and gun registration in this country, thats a kettle of fish that needs a whole "new look at" - because by the time the guns and gangs criminal people are in your house its way too late for calling 911

just an opine

I don't believe it?? someone in the minority who also questions the official version of 911. The perfectness of this operation was just tooo perfect was it not? As to the Taliban claiming responsibilty - by whom of that group, not the nebulous Osama whom GWB said he was personally not interested in??? Spare me Also, remember that throughout history, the majority on most causes have almost invariably been proven wrong. Lets remember too that there has been one beneficiary to the crime of 911 and one only, the military industrial complex - and any criminal investigator will tell you that the beneficiary of a crime is always the prime suspect. Both Dwight Eisenhower and JFK repeatedly warned that this complex would present a constant threat to western society.

[Rockie]

and as to guns and gun control and gun registration in this country, thats a kettle of fish that needs a whole "new look at" - because by the time the guns and gangs criminal people are in your house its way too late for calling 911

just an opine

I like your opinion! It seems reasonable, and logical.

I have been shooting for 10 years, and I have yet to come across any licensed firearm owner who could be classed as "swaggering gun freaks and vigilante wannabe's", but thank you Rockie. If that is how you would be, then I am glad you are afraid of guns, and hope you stay away from them for the rest of your life.

The rest of us are responsible people, who happily go through all the security checks and the training involved with the licensing process. We are also checked everyday by the RCMP, as part of being a license holder, to maintain your safety. Myself, I'm more afraid of people who do not have a Firearms license, as they are not checked for criminal activities daily by the RCMP, so that means you, Rocky, could be a felon, out on bail. A "swaggering gun freak" like those punks shooting up the streets in {insert almost anyCanadian city name here}, who have no license, and a long criminal record.

Funny how successful the Liberal social re-engineering of our country has been at removing people's ability to think.

It was Sigmund Freud who said, "A fear of guns is a sign of emotional and sexual immaturity."

Mike

If you knew anything about me you would realize fear of guns or other weapons is not one of my problems. The vast majority of gun supporters only view guns within your own personal sphere, you don't consider them from a society's point of view. No one has a problem with hunters or other people who have a legitimate need for them and are properly trained and licenced. You yourself imply support for licencing and registration by your comments because you cite it as a factor in your own trustworthyness with guns.

But from a society point of view, freedom of weapons like the US has is a recipe for abuse because there are no controls over who has them or can get them. If you wish I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are not the problem. But how do we separate you from the nutbars? This forum is filled with Dirty Harry wannabe's who brag about what they would do to any nefarious criminal who dared threaten them. There are also a good number of conspiracy theorists who think the government is engaged in some scheme to take away every freedom we now enjoy and vow to meet them at the door with a shotgun. How weird is that? You even repeat the tired old paranoid refrain of "social engineering".

Well guess what? Society has laws and a democratically elected government ultimately does what the population wants or they get booted out of power. So if our society says no to guns, which it definitely does in this country, then you had better get used to it. It isn't fear, it's a desire to live without wondering if the car next to you has a .45 in the glove compartment. I'm all for that.

[canwhitewolf]

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[fogghorn]

Well guess what? Society has laws and a democratically elected government ultimately does what the population wants or they get booted out of power. So if our society says no to guns, which it definitely does in this country, then you had better get used to it. It isn't fear, it's a desire to live without wondering if the car next to you has a .45 in the glove compartment. I'm all for that.

Yessirree, I can hardly wait till only the police and military have all the guns, then we can all sleep peacefully at night.
By the way, our "society" is brainwashed and dumbed down to the point where they could not collectively make an informed decision on the type of toilet paper to use, let alone who should or should not own a rifle.

[flycyhm]

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[Rockie]

I've already said this many times, but if guns make a society safer then places like Sudan and Somalia would be garden spots. So would the US for that matter. Gangs are a growing problem I'll grant that, but the solution to them is more effective criminal laws, courts and (dare I say it) immigration laws, not arming the populace. This is a peaceful democratic society, not Mogadishu. The government is not trying to brainwash anybody, and the lawless hordes aren't about to crash through your door.

Fogghorn thinks the only thing keeping the military and police from raping his wife and killing his dog is fear of him having a gun. Smoke another joint Fogghorn.

Canwhitewolf thinks lack of guns has caused millions of deaths and soaring crime rates. You and Fogghorn should get together.

Valid point about the cost of the gun registry Flycyhm. But to paraphrase you and many other people, it's not the registry that's bad, it's the people running it. You have no issue with registering your car or getting a drivers licence, what's the big deal with guns? Also I'm fully aware of the absurdly ridiculous gun control laws in the US. Any moron only has to wait a few days to get a handgun legally, minutes if he wants one illegally. They are everywhere.

Right now you Wyatt Earps out there can confidently drive down the street in the knowledge the people around you aren't armed (unless you drive into the middle of a gang war). If you have your way then every single person around you who doesn't like your face could pull out his handgun and pop you one before you are even aware of it. Does that make you feel safer? Are you all going to practice your quickdraw too to be the fastest hand in the west?

Who's been doing your brainwashing besides the NRA?

[flycyhm]

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[Rockie]

Valid point about the cost of the gun registry Flycyhm. But to paraphrase you and many other people, it's not the registry that's bad, I've already said this many times, but if guns make a society safer then places like Sudan and Somalia would be garden spots. So would the US for that matter. Gangs are a growing problem I'll grant that, but the solution to them is more effective criminal laws, courts and (dare I say it) immigration laws, not arming the populace. This is a peaceful democratic society, not Mogadishu. The government is not trying to brainwash anybody, and the lawless hordes aren't about to crash through your door.

I think you have to realize that in most of the third world countries, they are fighting their own government, and the average civilian does not, and cannot afford to own a gun. Think hard about that.

Think hard about the fact we don't live in a third world country. This is Canada.

Wow... I see there may be no way of convincing you that people can be responsible, even with, -gasp- firearms. If you cannot even fathom that kind of responsibility, then I pity you.

Sure they can and most are. But most people don't own guns, and you can't possibly think everyone is the paragon of responsibility you are.

Right now you Wyatt Earps out there can confidently drive down the street in the knowledge the people around you aren't armed (unless you drive into the middle of a gang war). If you have your way then every single person around you who doesn't like your face could pull out his handgun and pop you one before you are even aware of it. Does that make you feel safer? Are you all going to practice your quickdraw too to be the fastest hand in the west?

So how can I guarantee that I am not driving in the middle of a gang war?? If that is a valid concern, and it is, what do you propose to do about it? You just "shot down" your own argument.

When many of the States began looking into allowing concealed carry for lawful citizens, many ignorant people screamed there would be shoot-outs over parking spots, much like your arguments. When the laws were enacted, the only thing that happened was crime dropped. American wifes and daughters became safer as rape levels dropped. It's hard to deny the cold hard facts, but you are doing a good job.

Utter bullshit. Don't talk about cold hard facts if you have none.

If having a TOOL at my disposal can prevent me from becoming a victim, and prevent harm coming to my family, then I want the right to have access to that tool. Anyone who can think for themselves will eventually come to the same conclusion I have, or possably die like a sheep at the hand of an home invader.

Having that "tool" won't prevent you from becoming a victim. Keeping guns out of the hands of nutbars will though.

I agree the US has a lot more problems than we do when it comes to crime, but Canada is playing catch up, and in time, who knows. Our gun laws have not prevented this from happening, so you want more of them? That's logical. Gun control is the only thing in existance where it's utter failure calls for more of it.

Mike

[flycyhm]

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[canwhitewolf]

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[Rockie]

"Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million."

Now that's funny. Have you ever read a book called "Unclear on the Concept"? Don't bother because you wouldn't get the jokes.

Ps. I found the source of your "facts". It is nutbars like you who should be banned for life from ever owning a weapon of any kind.

http://ofbulletsandbibles.blogspot.com/ ... troll.html

What was it again Canwhitewolf, flycyhm and fogghorn were accusing me of?

[Rockie]

There is absolutely nothing concrete to be gained by debating this issue online except reminding myself why I support gun control. The mindset of some people in legal possession of weapons is genuinely disturbing.

[xsbank]

It isn't gun control that you are advocating, its people control. "It is nutbars like you who should be banned for life from ever owning a weapon of any kind."

What makes you the arbiter of correct thought?

The lunatics and the crazies, the criminals and the addicts don't obey any of the rules. Why would you expect them to obey another rule about guns? They are the ones who kill, they are the ones that get into the papers. How has gun control stopped their mayhem?

I think that banning guns is a sop to those in society who are unable or unwilling to confront the problems with society, those whose minds are totally closed and proud of it, like you, Rocky. Guns in our society are a non-issue, except for the criminals who all still have them, but it makes you feel all self-righteous when you think that 'certain people,' categories decided by you, should have some freedoms removed because you don't happen to like them.

Arrogant, I would call that - that you think you have the right to decide what's right for the rest of us?

[canwhitewolf]

well said xsbank

[Rockie]

It isn't gun control that you are advocating, its people control. "It is nutbars like you who should be banned for life from ever owning a weapon of any kind."

Semantics. I don't give a crap what "nutbars like him" do as long as they don't have access to a weapon.

I think that banning guns is a sop to those in society who are unable or unwilling to confront the problems with society

If you recall I mentioned a thing called laws, which if I'm not mistaken is a way of dealing with the problems of society. Your idea is to get into a shootout.

but it makes you feel all self-righteous

Hello pot.

Arrogant, I would call that - that you think you have the right to decide what's right for the rest of us?

You call it arrogant, the rest of us call it the collective will of a democratic society that we have gun control in this country. But if you like I can suggest plenty of less democratic societies that have virtually no gun control that might suit you and canwhitewolf better.

[canwhitewolf]

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[Rockie]

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Good point.