Interesting quotes from "Sully"

[Meatservo]

Nope, that's not it. I wish I could remember.

[lucky37]

I think you're talking about the PZL M-28 Skytruck. It looks like an interesting plane.

http://www.pzlmielec.pl/ang/fly01.html

VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4amd9nmrWo

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DESCRIPTION

The M28 SKYTRUCK Model 05 is a twin-engined high-wing cantilever monoplane of all-metal structure, with twin vertical tails and a robust tricycle non-retractable landing gear, featuring a steerable nose wheel to provide for operation from short, unprepared runways where hot or high altitude conditions may exist. The M28 is best suited for passenger and/or cargo transportation.

GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS

* short takeoff & landing (STOL) capability
* perfect flight handling at low airspeeds
* high useful load, mission versatility
* unpaved airstrip operating capability
* easy access through rear cargo door, fitted with a hoist for cargo loading and relocation inside the cabin
* high-wing arrangement for protection of engines and propellers against damage when operating from unpaved airstrips
* easy and quick conversion of the cabin interior configuration
* low operating cost
* PT6 engines of inverted configuration for efficient protection against foreign object ingression owing to inertial separators installed inside air inlet ducts.

Although the M-28 Skytruck doesn't feature the retractable landing gear, the M-28B (Bryza) military version does.

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[Meatservo]

That's the one!!! Cool, eh?

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I'm actually enjoying reading this thread. Good job everyone. Althoug it may have steer off of topic from the 2nd page on.


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Starting wages US Airways $26,000 Air Canada $37,000 I'm assuming they didn't convert.
Air Canada's starting wage would be $29,520 US dollars

- Pilots took a 30 per cent pay-rate cut on the Embraer aircraft, 20 per cent on A320 aircraft, and a 15 per cent on all other aircraft. - By comparison, Robert Milton took a 13.5 per cent salary reduction from 2002-2005. During the same period, Milton's annual compensation grew by 72 per cent, and nearly doubled (+93 per cent) from 2004 to 2005.

Can you North American Jet drivers explain as to why a buddy of mine here in Canada flying a Boeing product making 50K Canadian is now going over to the UK to fly the same aircraft for for a different company @ 90K Canadian in the same type of niche (Charter flights) as he is here in Canada?

I'm kinda speechless on this one.

THAT'S RIGHT I SAID IT.... I'M REACHING OUT HERE!!!

[200hr Wonder]

OK So, aviation has changed, no doubt about it and I am of the new age. We have a tonne more information available to us as pilots. The planes are more reliable, have better automation and are easier to fly. However at the end of the day there is still people in the back that you need to get from point A to point B safely. The ultimate goal and responsibility of the job has not changed one iota. Lets compare to say brain surgery. Forty years ago it was cutting peoples skull off and stimulating brain bits till someone smelt burnt toast and then killing that bit of the brain. Crude for sure, difficult you bet. Today the brain surgeon has Cat Scans, MRIs, a whole tool box fuel of drugs to help ensure a successful outcome. So does that mean that brain surgeons of 40 years ago where better than they are now. No! Everyone just used the tools they had at hand. Anyone who thinks that relying on new technology makes you worse pilot needs to pull there head out of there rectum. I know GPS inside & out, as well as ADF and VOR as they are the tools in my tool box. I also know what I can do to make my aircraft get home again. Unfortunately with a lot of things today you can't do much to be Johnny Fixit. Either it works or it does not. Digital technology does not lend its self to the Johnny Fixits, however in exchange for this it is way way more reliable. So yes in 40 years we went from hurdling thousands of pounds pounds of metal through thy sky based on experience and luck to using the new tools and being a lot more precise, reliable and yes automated. The new age of pilots had best know there new tool box though. Look what happened to that airbus going into the trees, that was a direct result of not know your toolbox. The best AP is only as good as the guy programing it. Different skill set you bet, but hey you are still responsible for the people behind you. Then again I tend to be a pretty self reliant guy. Sure I may not know morse code or how to make a spark gap wazit, but how many of you can build a firewall with traffic shaping, VPN access among other features? When the chips die there is not a lot I can do to fix em. So yeah there are still some of us who like to tinker we just need to do it in a different manner. I pride my self being a new age pilot and work damn hard to get respect from my peers. Maybe I am the exception. I like people to feel safe when they get on board with me. I want them to feel comfortable. I want the plane to be clean. I want to use a GPS to get my plane to destination because it is safer. Then again there are people some of whom I have worked with that think there job starts and stops when the engines do.

[Strega]

200hr wonder,

When you hit Geese with both engines, and have to deadstick, you need to be the best of the best. Not the worst...

I seem to recall a post of yours a while back mentioning how proud you were about flying over the rockies without a GPS, something that a pilot should not be that proud of..

It was the "new age" pilots that crashed the dash off the end of a 10k long runway, it was the "new age" pilots that ran out of gas in the middle of the atlantic, it was the "new age" pilot that crashed on the corner of portage and main that resulted in the DEATH of a human.

From pilots that I have met all over the world, I would rate the quality of most Canadian pilots ( I say most, not all) at around 5-6/10, In a country such as ours, this is a discrace

[200hr Wonder]

200hr wonder,

When you hit Geese with both engines, and have to deadstick, you need to be the best of the best. Not the worst...

I seem to recall a post of yours a while back mentioning how proud you were about flying over the rockies without a GPS, something that a pilot should not be that proud of..

Sorry for being proud of my accomplishments. I am sorry that you have no joy in your life and have never done anything to be proud of, because according to you, your accomplishments need to be extraordinary to take pride in. Being a professional is taking pride in what you do. Even if it is mundane as always having shiny shoes and a nicely pressed shirt. Or taking pride in doing something solo for the fist time safely. Oh wait thats right as we went around this bush before it was my first solo cross country of decent length. Something very few people in the world have ever done. Silly me. Where you proud when you graduated high school assuming you did? Most people do that is not something to be proud of psht. I pity you for not taking pride in your accomplishments, really I do.

It was the "new age" pilots that crashed the dash off the end of a 10k long runway, it was the "new age" pilots that ran out of gas in the middle of the atlantic, it was the "new age" pilot that crashed on the corner of portage and main that resulted in the DEATH of a human.

From pilots that I have met all over the world, I would rate the quality of most Canadian pilots ( I say most, not all) at around 5-6/10, In a country such as ours, this is a discrace
200hr wonder,

When you hit Geese with both engines, and have to deadstick, you need to be the best of the best. Not the worst...

I seem to recall a post of yours a while back mentioning how proud you were about flying over the rockies without a GPS, something that a pilot should not be that proud of..

It was the "new age" pilots that crashed the dash off the end of a 10k long runway, it was the "new age" pilots that ran out of gas in the middle of the atlantic, it was the "new age" pilot that crashed on the corner of portage and main that resulted in the DEATH of a human.

From pilots that I have met all over the world, I would rate the quality of most Canadian pilots ( I say most, not all) at around 5-6/10, In a country such as ours, this is a discrace

Yup and it was the old guard that collide 2 747s in Tenerife, it was the old guard crashed into Mt. Sleese near Vancouver in 56', I could go on. Sterga but I know it is tough to get anything past your ego. There are good and bad pilots of every generation. There are good pilots that screw up too. That aint the point of this thread so quit the high jack. Better yet pull your head out of your sphincter and try and ad something positive to a thread for once.

[yfly]

From pilots that I have met all over the world, I would rate the quality of most Canadian pilots ( I say most, not all) at around 5-6/10, In a country such as ours, this is a discrace

Having flown with pilots from all over the world, I think you are selling us short. We may not be as well educated as some JAA licence holders and admittedly, the industry in Canada is a joke, but the good pilots in Canada rate very highly.

[Strega]

200hr,,

I am proud of many things in my life.. and yes, I did graduate HS...
I have a big ego, but I also have the skills to back it up.

Do you disagree with Capt Sullys words? I agree with him 100%
you pay peanuts, you get monkeys..

[Strega]

yfly,

whats better, an un-educated good pilot, or an educated good pilot?

It is my opinion, a degree should be mandatory to obtain an ATPL in Canada..
I beleive it still is in the military...

[200hr Wonder]

200hr,,

I am proud of many things in my life.. and yes, I did graduate HS...
I have a big ego, but I also have the skills to back it up.

Do you disagree with Capt Sullys words? I agree with him 100%
you pay peanuts, you get monkeys..

Then I sure hope your skills never let you down. As for a degree I have a college diploma, a few years of university. When I went to university I was not ready for it and did not graduate, though I know that now. So my ability to get a basket weaving 101 diploma has any bearing on my ability to be a top grade pilot?

[Strega]

So my ability to get a basket weaving 101 diploma has any bearing on my ability to be a top grade pilot?

Short answer is yes..

[HS-748 2A]

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[fogghorn]

200hr,,

I am proud of many things in my life.. and yes, I did graduate HS...
I have a big ego, but I also have the skills to back it up.

Do you disagree with Capt Sullys words? I agree with him 100%
you pay peanuts, you get monkeys..

Sullys from a different era, notwithstanding, I also agree with him 100%. Unfortunately, it is not just a matter that the pay is peanuts so ergo you get monkeys, the majority of ppl have lost the ability to think critically or objectively. Having a Phd means nothing if all you have been fed is garbage.

[HS-748 2A]

I am proud of many things in my life.. and yes, I did graduate HS...
I have a big ego, but I also have the skills to back it up.

[200hr Wonder]

So my ability to get a basket weaving 101 diploma has any bearing on my ability to be a top grade pilot?

Short answer is yes..

Care to expand on that? I am quite certain that I could get a degree at this point, however I am not in a fincial position to do so. So please again tell me how it is going to help?

[Strega]

Im flattered....

[Strega]

Care to expand on that? I am quite certain that I could get a degree at this point, however I am not in a fincial position to do so. So please again tell me how it is going to help?

actually, no, I dont..

you are certain you "could" get a degree? when you have already demonstrated that you "could not",, and dont feed me any BS that you were an imature kid bla bla bla, because HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of imature kids are able to get degrees..

[Strega]

Your mom must be proud..

[dashx]

I beleive

I want to believe.

I have a big ego, but I also have the skills to back it up

Yes I beleive that too.

Is it possible you might be lacking in one (admittedly small) skill?

And no spelling wasn't my first thought.

If you do something right, people won't know if you've done anything at all

Is that the problem? Caesar needs praise?

But I digress...

I also agree (to a certain extent) with the good Capt but....

I hope that Capt Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger has the "best and the brightest doctors" for him and his family. Ditto for his accountant, car mechanic, plumber (well you get the point). He can complain and bitch about his decision to remain in aviation. In the end no one forced him to stay there. Did they?

I seem to recall the "best and brightest" doctors and nurses leaving Canada to go to the US. Did that mean there was a problem with the "best and brightest" down in the US? Now I see ads wooing doctors and nurses back (of all places) in the baggage claim area in YYZ. And let's face it we did have a shortage of good and qualified doctors and nurses in places. Did we survive? I have a personal story on that but... it will remain private.....

Capt Sullenberger urged "collective solutions" involving management a labour to ensure that pilots are sufficiently valued and to avoid "negative consequences to the flying public and to our country".

Way to look out for number one.

I'm sorry to bitch like this but if you are going to talk about the airline industry you'd better include the "folks" in the back end of the plane and "folks" on the ground. I have always valued pilots who knew what they were doing. But then again I never had to sign their cheques either. Did listen to them bitch about the pay though. Even watched one or two leave the profession for a better salary.

Now I am only reacting to the article that started this thread and its possible I too am not one of the "best and brightest" out there but you know if I didn't go into aviation........

"I could have been a contender, I could have been somebody, instead of a mechanic which is what I am."

And new age old age???? Just know your airplane (please).

Now what did Edward R Murrow used to say?

Oh yes:

Good night and good luck.

[200hr Wonder]

you are certain you "could" get a degree? when you have already demonstrated that you "could not",, and dont feed me any BS that you were an imature kid bla bla bla, because HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of imature kids are able to get degrees..

Yes Sterga people change, mature though I have no need to defend my self to you at all.

[Invertago]

Ahhh the demise of an perfectly good avcanada thread... lets sacrifice this one to the crops boys...


Who needs slapstick comedy when I have you guys lol.

[metal]

Never a dull moment around here

[oldncold]

a long time ago in a moutain range not to far from the left coast the one of two remaining radio ranges in use was in cycg. it now resides in the national aviation museam building in ottawa.

a 737' used to fly in there and in the deep valley cp air and pwa hired direct some of the best students because they taught at the selkirk college astronomy, physics, and could figure out how to get into the valley to get the jet on the runway without going into the columbia river at the opposite end. .

dear dad told me if ya want to fly ya better have a better than average understanding of how all the parts work together. because nothing pisses off enginners than writing in the log book its broke . so i went back to school and got a maintenance diploma then spent many nights upside down in some hell hole cursing but learning. now when I speak to the engineers I can speak their language, and give some real insights into what was happening. So that, they do not have to spend 4hrs to trouble shoot a snag that if properly explained takes 20 min to fix. . .can still map read well too . but even with gps those geologists never seem to what to be where they want to be picked up /lol

[Rockie]

The planes are more reliable, have better automation and are easier to fly.

I agree with your first two points, but not the last one. The complexity of the automation and ancilliary systems, negative effects when systems degrade, and the increasingly busy and sophisticated environment that we operate in make flying the aircraft as hard, or harder than it was 50 years ago.

I've been in this game a little while now, and the longer I'm in it the more I realize how unknowledgeable and unprepared I've been in the past. Now after even a short layoff of a month, I am in the books before getting in the airplane again because todays airplanes demand it. They are not simple.