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[HS-748 2A]

What?

What else could TNGINR stand for?

Would have made for a better story, don't you think - ?

"Dual Engine Failure; First Air 737-200 Ditches in the North Saskatchewan.."


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[lilfssister]

I was deciphering your acronym tnginr.

DOH! Told you I was tired!

[johnkruk]

WOW great news from 7f once again!!! have no idea how this company can survive! three 20% full flights from yeg to yzf, two parked hercs, and who knows about the foodmail contract......oh yeah the 767 is on its way, what a shit show thats going to be! Where does this company get the money to waste?????!!!!!!!!!

[young grasshopper]

johnkruk wrote:

three 20% full flights from yeg to yzf

From the CADORS for this flight/topic:
Narrative: FAB 957, a First Air B737 with 96 people on board

Wow - if 96 pax is only 20% of the load - thats quite the '37!!

johnkruk wrote:

two parked hercs

One needs to be parked for a 'C' check...Not sure if you know what a 'C' check is, but its tough to do one in between flights! The other one is still fairly busy!

johnkruk wrote:

and who knows about the foodmail contract

I think everyone knows it comes up for bid in 20 months. Hopefully 7F can get it - there'll be fierce competition from some other great airlines!

johnkruk wrote:

oh yeah the 767 is on its way, what a shit show thats going to be

I suppose there are aches and pains any time an airline launches its first widebody.

johnkruk wrote:

Where does this company get the money to waste?????!!!!!!!!!

I suppose its from 50+ years of making money in the North.

Its no secret where I work. I'm proud of my company and I'm proud to work for an Airline that enables me to live in the North where I was born and raised. Its a great place to work. The money is far above average, the schedule is great, and the equipment is top notch. Please keep your comments to yourself if you have no idea what you're talking about. Rant over.

[godsrcrazy]

When 7F pi$$'$ all there money away like 5T and Discovery air then they can always go to the GNWT like 5T and Discovery air have in the past. Or go to the feds for one of them there forgivable loans like 5T did about 4 or 5 years back.

[Tango Romeo]

First Air is one of the most profitable airlines in Canada hands down.

l really think that there will be some major changes to the operations in the north. lt'll be interesting to see where the other operators will fare in that competition.

Tango-

[johnkruk]

its a good thing for firstair they are a monopoly in most parts of the north, if they had compitition from real airlines like they are starting to get now they would be finished long ago, i've spent time in the north and south and have never seen a company/airline waste money like them! its a good thing they have the support from the gov. or whatever money tree they have!!!!!

[young grasshopper]

johnkruk wrote:

i've spent time in the north and south and have never seen a company/airline waste money like them! its a good thing they have the support from the gov. or whatever money tree they have!!!!!

Obviously you're new to the airline industry cause we burna tonne of cash, but nothing like the big guys!! The only way to make money is to spend it!! I suppose its all relative though.

[silentivan]

Hmm, I was wondering why it was sitting on the ramp minus an engine last week. That being said, its back in the air tonight.

[Brantford Beech Boy]

Where does this company get the money to waste?????!!!!!!!!!

Ultimatley the cash came from the Que government.....

(from the 7F website)

"First Air is the trademark name used by Bradley Air Services Limited. This company, which has its head office in Kanata, Ontario, is a wholly-owned subsidiary corporation of Makivik Corporation of Kuujjuaq, Quebec. For those not familiar with northern Canada, it might be noted that the community of Kuujjuaq (formerly known as Fort Chimo) is located in Northern Quebec near the coast of Ungava Bay and that this community is predominantly an Inuit community.

Makivik Corporation was established, in 1978, by way of special provincial legislation (of the Province of Quebec) that gave the corporation the mandate to receive and administer compensation monies on behalf of the Inuit of Northern Quebec and to oversee the proper implementation of the James Bay and Northern Quebec Agreement (JBNQA). The JBNQA was signed in 1975 and was the first of Canada's modern-day Aboriginal land claim settlement agreements."


BBB

[ODA]

Your quite right the Quebec government gave Makivik Corporation some money and they used it to buy Bradley Air. Since then they've sat back and watched their money make more money. Obviously you didn't hear about the generous bonuses that First Air paid to the board of Makivik. I haven't heard of many companies that are losing money pay managment bonuses or buy another ATR 42 let alone think about operating a 767. Not to mention the one herc has flown so much it needed a C check in under 2 years and the other one is in Thompson Manitoba flying 16 hours a day. Pretty tough times at First Air!!!

[FICU]

The cash windfall of the food/mail contract allows for losing money in other areas of the operation.

The next contract award will be very interesting.

[Unknown]

its a good thing for firstair they are a monopoly in most parts of the north, if they had compitition from real airlines like they are starting to get now they would be finished long ago, i've spent time in the north and south and have never seen a company/airline waste money like them! its a good thing they have the support from the gov. or whatever money tree they have!!!!!

You obviously have no idea what your talking about because there is another real airline that is trying to dip in on the northern market and as every one knows they are not doing a very good job at it. Wow you must be deaf and dumb if you think they are the only money wasters in Canada, have you heard of AC or do you just like bashing on 7F. I would put money on it you tried to get a job with 7F but they turned you down because it took about all of 2 minutes to figure out you a douche bag.

[young grasshopper]

Unknown wrote:

I would put money on it you tried to get a job with 7F but they turned you down because it took about all of 2 minutes to figure out you a douche bag.

I didn't want to say it...but...you took the words outta my mouth. Thanks.

[railroad]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Yellowknife is one of 7F's biggest bases. And definately one of their top two "Northern" bases. And here in a town of only 20,000 people, we have four 705 operators plus it is a major hub (maybe their biggest hub) for a fifth 705 carrier.

Yep, definately a monopoly. No competition here. No need to provide a good service. They're the only guys in the phone book.

[johnkruk]

i said MOST of the north, there ATR routes are a monoply, mostly. and all you people who think they don't waste money should try working somewhere else so you know the difference between a real airline and firstair. its a unique operation thats for sure and if they didn't have the clients they have (people who have no other choice) they would have dried up long ago! how long have they been trying to get this 767.............10 years, or so.......come on, and the last 737 they bought from africa what was it, 9 months of heavy maintenance before it got on line? and what have they done to try and change or grow a little .........oh yeah they tried to fly to thompson and that didn't work.

[ettw]

i said MOST of the north, there ATR routes are a monoply, mostly. and all you people who think they don't waste money should try working somewhere else so you know the difference between a real airline and firstair. its a unique operation thats for sure and if they didn't have the clients they have (people who have no other choice) they would have dried up long ago! how long have they been trying to get this 767.............10 years, or so.......come on, and the last 737 they bought from africa what was it, 9 months of heavy maintenance before it got on line? and what have they done to try and change or grow a little .........oh yeah they tried to fly to thompson and that didn't work.

Ya, I guess those dasderdly -8s we've been dodging over here in the East (YFB) are just what...software glitches on our TCAS? I'm pretty sure they have some blue and yellow on them so I'm guessing its another airline running them....which means....NO F*CKING MONOPOLY OVER HERE!!!!

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEN SHUT YOUR PIEHOLE!!!!!

Cheers,

ETTW

PS.....I feel sooooo much better

[young grasshopper]

johnkruk wrote:

and all you people who think they don't waste money should try working somewhere else so you know the difference between a real airline and firstair

I don't think anyone here said they didn't waste money. What Major in Canada doesn't to some extent? Welcome to Aviation...The only way to make a million bucks in this industry is to start with 2 million.

its a unique operation thats for sure and if they didn't have the clients they have (people who have no other choice) they would have dried up long ago

Wow - once again you make a great point...People who have no other choice?!?!
Adlair Aviation Ltd.
Air Tindi
Arctic Sunwest Charters
Kenn Borek Air
Big River Air Ltd.
Buffalo Airways
Aklak Air
Canadian North - Air Norterra
North Wright Airways
Northwestern Air Lease
Simpson Air Limited
Summit Air
Ursus Aviation
Wolverine Air Ltd.
Air Nunavut

how long have they been trying to get this 767.............10 years, or so.

And now they're getting it. I can't imagine the great folks at Westjet would ever mention "right place at the right time".

come on, and the last 737 they bought from africa what was it, 9 months of heavy maintenance before it got on line?

Are you the kind of guy that would release an aircraft early from maintenance when it wasn't ready to safely fly?

and what have they done to try and change or grow a little

What a great attitude. Perhaps you should do some homework for once in your life. A quick search will find that if indeed 7F hadn't "tried to change or grow a little" they'd still be flying Super Cubs...but I suppose you probably already knew that.

Why don't you take...EVERYONE'S ADVICE...and just stop writing. You obviously have little to no knowledge to back up your little wandering fingers. Have a great day.

[casey]

Hi Mr johnkruk
What the hell you got a bee in your bonnet for about First Air.Did they can your ass our maybe did not hire you.Please enlighten us to your dilema.All carriers sometimes make moves that are bewidering to the rank and file but unless you are up in the top management team you may not understand the long range game plan thus your confusion about the diff aspects of aviation.I can tell you that First Air has a mandate set down by Makivik to generate a certain profit margin if not capital expenditures will be scaled back.So to make a long story short they are doing OK.I no i do not work for First Air

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johnkruk, I dont know what your issue is with 7F, but I can say for certain myself and many other employees at 7F are very happy to be working for the company. At this point in time I cant see myself working for any other company but 7F, and I hope there around for another 60 years. Our company pays well, fairly good job security, the flying is great, the people that we work with for the most part are great as well. If you were lucky enough, which im guessing you werent, you would come and experience it.

[Liquid Charlie]

oh yeah they tried to fly to thompson and that didn't work.

Thompson actually not a bad deal -- the main reason service was withdrawn (oh yes westjet pulled out too) was the runway was not suitable for the 737 - there was a major heave that exceeded Boeing limitations - damage to the airplanes was a major concern --

funny thing -- all these years and I'm still not twisted and cynical -- well except morally --

[mbav8r]

Thompson actually not a bad deal -- the main reason service was withdrawn (oh yes westjet pulled out too) was the runway was not suitable for the 737 - there was a major heave that exceeded Boeing limitations - damage to the airplanes was a major concern --

Liquid Charlie, That runway was suitable for Canadian's 737-200 for years. That heave has been there for just as long including when Canadian was operating there. They've tried to fix that heave and last time I was up there they had lengthened 32(I believe) so that they could tear apart 05 and fix it once and for all without too much disruption of traffic. I don't know the outcome but I'd be surprised and even skeptical if that was the only reason firstair pulled out of dodge(Thompson).

[Liquid Charlie]

I'm not saying that Canadian and Transair didn't service Thompson for years - I know first hand that Boeing (the company rep) looked at the heave and said it was not suitable for a 737 - now I imagine the repairs have been attempted but until there is a permanent fix First Air will not consider going back in there - Certainly it is a weak market but the runway was the final straw -- let's face it we live in a country of substandard runways -- and what a pain in the ass that is turning out to be.