Carson air

[Westward_Bound]

Ok, please feel free to point me somewhere where these answers are, but what are the labour laws for pilots? Do you get overtime after 8hrs/day, 40hrs/week?

From the sounds of it, no

[B-rad]

This thread is really going down the toilet fast..
Report them for what? It's best to know where you stand before you start thinking about reporting someone. They can offer what ever pay they want. If you really want to do something about it, encourage people to have a higher self value.

Report them for breaking Canadian Labour laws.
This is what makes Canada a developed, civilized country. If the pay at Carson is really what people here say it is, then as a civilized nation, we use laws to force better standards.

Oh it sounded like you already had the answers. Let me give you some advice. Just stop while you're ahead. Aviation is pretty unique and your better off trying to "encouraging people to not drive their cars because they pollute".

[Westward_Bound]

What I really don't get, is that this industry is full of relatively "smart" people, yet it seems like it's run by idiots. Like you can teach em to fly, but their useless when it comes to shaping the industry they work in.

Maybe it's just too much testosterone and over inflated ego's(or just money whores)?? Seems like a lot of people are just followers with the "thats the way it is, so thats the way I'll play it" attitude.

The more I get into this industry, the more doumbfounded I become at it's inner workings.

But I've always been an idealist, leader and non-conformist, so maybe that's why I feel the way I do.

[Mustang06]

If somebody has any doubt:

Metro Pilot Base Salary:


First Officer Captain

Year 1
$19,000 $39,000
Year 2
$22,000 $43,000
Year 3 or more
$24,000 $45,000


Per Diems: (non taxable)

$30 per flight day

$50 for overnight

[Canadian Pilot]

You know what people, I personaly refused to work for low pay ever. I never worked for low pay in my 10 years of flying career. I have been doing aerial survey for 10 years now and why should I leave flying a Navajo and making an Air Canada Captain pay for somebody that offers low pay. Not forgetting the time you have to put in to get a raise. Life is all about comfortable living and enjoying it. As long as there are people that take it up you know what just to go fly, then the situation of the industry will never change. Self respect is very important, and I would rather have that than a low pay that I can not live from.

Cheers

[synthpro]

Well guys... in the end... I did not take the position. I turned down the interview. You are right, its just not mathematicaly possible to live with any kind of dignity in Vancouver for 19k a year.

I think this job is more geared fora pilot coming out of school. who still lives with their parents. (which is fine)

Unfortunately, I am still unemployed... so I hope other opportunities will come up.

Thanks for all your comments and information

S.

[flying4dollars]

Well guys... in the end... I did not take the position. I turned down the interview. You are right, its just not mathematicaly possible to live with any kind of dignity in Vancouver for 19k a year.

I think this job is more geared fora pilot coming out of school. who still lives with their parents. (which is fine)

Unfortunately, I am still unemployed... so I hope other opportunities will come up.

Thanks for all your comments and information

S.

Cheers mate

[B-rad]

Well guys... in the end... I did not take the position. I turned down the interview. You are right, its just not mathematicaly possible to live with any kind of dignity in Vancouver for 19k a year.

I think this job is more geared fora pilot coming out of school. who still lives with their parents. (which is fine)

Unfortunately, I am still unemployed... so I hope other opportunities will come up.

Thanks for all your comments and information

S.

Good move.

Even the slowest river can erode the hardest rock.

[Westward_Bound]

Maybe we should all be applying at these budgest companies, just so we can turn them down and make them think twice??

[ahramin]

Well guys... in the end... I did not take the position. I turned down the interview. You are right, its just not mathematicaly possible to live with any kind of dignity in Vancouver for 19k a year.

I think this job is more geared fora pilot coming out of school. who still lives with their parents. (which is fine)

Unfortunately, I am still unemployed... so I hope other opportunities will come up.

Thanks for all your comments and information

S.

I was in your position many years ago and made the same decision. If they will not pay a reasonable amount, I will not work for them.

It worked out very well for me and I have never regretted it.

[ZBBYLW]

Well guys... in the end... I did not take the position. I turned down the interview. You are right, its just not mathematicaly possible to live with any kind of dignity in Vancouver for 19k a year.

I think this job is more geared fora pilot coming out of school. who still lives with their parents. (which is fine)

Unfortunately, I am still unemployed... so I hope other opportunities will come up.

Thanks for all your comments and information

S.

Good on ya! Its not worth it 19k living anywhere is bad, but in a major city (and YVR at that) its BS.

[Mustang06]

I think this job is more geared fora pilot coming out of school. who still lives with their parents. (which is fine)

S.

I don't think that 1000 TT and 500 multi would be somebody just out of school.

[props ahead]

I also refused the interview and am still unemployed unfortunately......but that position is almost criminal! Plus having to fly to kelowna for 4 days to maybe get the position! I hope nobody takes it but there is probably 10 flight instructors that can live at home lined up for the job, it the only way you could do it. With a 2 year bond it would really suck to have to commit to 2 years of poverty with zero lifestyle.

[Mustang06]

The Trainee agrees that in the event he-she resigns or is terminated by XXXX prior to full repayment of the monies owing, the balance owing shall become due and payable in full on the regular payroll pay date immediately preceding the trainee’s last day of work.
The trainee agrees that in the event the Trainee has commenced training and does not complete training or fails the PPC or line indoctrination, the full amount of the training bond shall become due and payable upon 14 calendar days after failure….

so make sure everybody likes you and don't fail the training so you will be unemployed again but this time with a nice debt.
Once you are there your contract can be "terminated" and again you owe them money.
life it's pretty isn't?

[Dino]

Right on the mark!

You know what people, I personaly refused to work for low pay ever. I never worked for low pay in my 10 years of flying career. I have been doing aerial survey for 10 years now and why should I leave flying a Navajo and making an Air Canada Captain pay for somebody that offers low pay. Not forgetting the time you have to put in to get a raise. Life is all about comfortable living and enjoying it. As long as there are people that take it up you know what just to go fly, then the situation of the industry will never change. Self respect is very important, and I would rather have that than a low pay that I can not live from.

Cheers

[canpilot]

Mustang,

Is that legal? If you partial or fail the training will they give you a second crack? Im completely in awe! Thats insanity.. I also assume thats the actual training document for XXX air?

[Mustang06]

Canpilot

I have no idea if it's legal or not.

[canpilot]

Well,

thats a bizzare contract....I'd be scared shitless to sign it

[Mustang06]

I also refused the offer, did somebody take it?

[human garbage]

You know what people, I personaly refused to work for low pay ever. I never worked for low pay in my 10 years of flying career. I have been doing aerial survey for 10 years now and why should I leave flying a Navajo and making an Air Canada Captain pay for somebody that offers low pay. Not forgetting the time you have to put in to get a raise. Life is all about comfortable living and enjoying it. As long as there are people that take it up you know what just to go fly, then the situation of the industry will never change. Self respect is very important, and I would rather have that than a low pay that I can not live from.

Cheers

Unlike you I did work for low pay....And figured out never again would I do that. I applied at Carson a few years back. Only when I heard back from the CP did I look at the pay. Needless to say I never got back to him...Best decision I ever made. Two months later I got a job that paid double their FO wage with no bond. Now I get more than both the FO and Capt. on the Metro put together (including per diems). Kinda puts how low the pay is in perspective...

Take it from someone who has been there. You are much better off out of the industry than flying for someone pimping your ass. As Canadian Pilot said, you cannot put a price on self respect.

BTW there is no way you could live on the FO wage in YVR. Don't even attempt to try.

[wallypilot]

Mustang,

Is that legal? If you partial or fail the training will they give you a second crack? Im completely in awe! Thats insanity.. I also assume thats the actual training document for XXX air?

Yes, in the past, they have given a second crack at it.

the contract can only be terminated by the employer for cause. While no bond is a good bond, you guys are blowing this way out of proportion. I'm not defending them by any means...19K is ridiculous.....but folks, come on...it's nothing compared to bareskin making you take out a loan in your own name. And they're a tier 3 AC carrier!

[roger.roger]

If you partial

you can't get a partial......it's a proficiancy check. you either are or you arn't. Fail one portion of the ride do the whole ride over

[flygirl123]

Do they hire people with like just over 1000hour TT and 500multi as stated?
Or is it competitive?
2 year bond? Wow!
What's the 2nd year pay like?

I've read that you start in the morning and come home at night.
Do you still get paid in between? What do you do? Stay in the hotel?

[canpilot]

hey..

I heard it was a split duty day... With around a 3+ hour break in the middle of the day. Usually I catch him on facebook or sleeping..

Its been a while since I've talked to my buddy there..

Hope that helps...

Cheers,

H